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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 08:47 PM
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Bystanders chase down and grab another bad man
Man held in molesting of 8-year-old girl in store
Henry K. Lee, Chronicle Staff Writer

San Francisco Chronicle December 13, 2010
(12-13) 12:44 PST SAN LEANDRO --

A man was chased down by bystanders moments after he allegedly molested an 8-year-old girl in a Walmart store in San Leandro, the second such incident in the East Bay in less than two weeks.

The latest incident happened at the Walmart at 1919 Davis St. at about 7 p.m. Friday, when the girl was shopping with her family. Her brother became separated from them, and the girl volunteered to look for him, police said.

Soon afterward, the girl returned to her mother in tears and said a man had grabbed her from behind and had put his hand down her pants, police said.

She pointed him out to her mother, and the mother notified store employees.

The suspect, later identified as Carlyle Villazon, 29, spotted two bystanders, Malcolm Mason and Dino Rinetti, looking at him and began running away, police said. The two men caught up to Villazon near the store's exit and held him until police arrived.


Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/12/13/BA7N1GQ1K5.DTL#ixzz182w7ZOaJ
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 08:56 PM
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 08:59 PM
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2. Let's say a prison guard sees such "sex" is about to happen and prevents it.
Did he do a bad thing?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 09:06 PM
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 09:12 PM
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4. You didn't answer the question. -nt
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 09:16 PM
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5. Usually guards only stop it if there is a life at stake
Edited on Mon Dec-13-10 09:17 PM by nadinbrzezinski
yes, they are so low in the totem poll that it is not even funny.

For a real life example. During a prison riot I took a convicted child molester to the ER with an AK round in his thigh... let's just say neither the cops or the prisoners cared or really knew who took the pot shot.

Hell when we transported he begged us NOT to let the medical staff what his crime was, which I didn't until that moment.

I was still professional about it but asked for the cops to be present at the ER. He was a high priority for security.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 09:30 PM
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 09:37 PM
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11. I was just the paramedic responding to a nasty
riot.

He was not the only one transported that day, and all the automatic gun play was NOT funny.

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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 09:20 PM
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6. Let the justcie system do its thing
There's no need to sound off like you're a Nazi concentration camp commandant.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 09:44 PM
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13. Here is the thing
it has nothing to do with the justice system or nazi guards.

The reality inside prisons is that neither prisoners or guards like child molesters. They are lower than scum... and actually lower than rapist, who are just above them.

There is a reasons for this. Both prisoners and guards have kids...

So prisons develop a very nasty internal social structure, where you got gangs, and you got a social order.

It is a reality that most of us don't even want to think about... and one that is best left for the worst horror shows you can find. It becomes really obvious when you have incidents where a prisoner dies from hanging himself, using a belt should not have had, or slips on a bar of soap. Whenever you find a story like that in the paper... there is a good chance it was done either due to race... or the type of crime... sometimes both.

It is something that most of us, on the outside, never worry about it.

When working EMS I needed to learn these rules as it were, even if my entry into that other world lasted at best an hour each time.
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Sonoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 09:26 PM
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7. In my mind, there is no 'yes' or 'no'.
Ain't gonna happen with these two.

We are talking about real prisons and real bad actors, here.

Prison rape is horrible and (in almost all instances) preventable. But it is part and parcel of the scene, unfortunately.

Sonoman
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 09:29 PM
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8. It's OK. It's a free country. You have the right to try to hide your opinions.
Edited on Mon Dec-13-10 09:32 PM by Commie Pinko Dirtbag
EDIT: even when such hiding fails to fool anyone.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 09:42 PM
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12. If it's preventable, why is it part and parcel of the scene?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 09:46 PM
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14. Because guards do play a blind eye many a times
and many others it is not preventable, nor is the shanking that goes on.

Yes lovely shanks made from every day materials formed into crude and EFFECTIVE weapons.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 09:48 PM
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15. Yes, but is such "turning a blind eye" a good thing?
Some seem to think it is.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 09:57 PM
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16. Not to me, but it is the reality
Edited on Mon Dec-13-10 09:58 PM by nadinbrzezinski
they could change it if they put all these guys, and it is MOSLTY guys, in isolation. That is the only way to guarantee they are safe.

Then we would have the other question. Is putting these people in high security (which wil drive them nuts) humane?

In my view most of them belong in mental health facilities probably for the rest of their lives, from what I have read in the literature, but our justice systems, this is collective, does not agree.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 09:31 PM
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10. Walmart.
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