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Sat Dec-18-10 06:56 PM
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Fox News "Ends the Clinton Era ban on Gays" |
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Uhm was dont ask dont tell bought in by clinton??????????
www.foxnews.com
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Sat Dec-18-10 06:56 PM
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Sat Dec-18-10 07:00 PM
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7. The GOP wanted to be able to thorw out anyone suspected of being gay. |
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Clinton gave gays who wanted to serve a loop-hole.
Its was terrible, but better than what the GOP wanted to do, which was make being gay illegal.
Clinton's compromise allowed gays to stay in the military, and for many, many, many heterosexual soldiers, they got to meet gay soldiers, even if they all had to remain quiet about it.
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Sat Dec-18-10 07:29 PM
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13. Just to be clear the GOP wanted to continue a policy |
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in the books for over 100 years. They didn't want to start shit...
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Sat Dec-18-10 10:17 PM
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20. In response I would suggest then that ... |
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the GOP wanted to STOP shit.
The GOP wanted to be able to be able to throw out gays for "misconduct", by using being gay as the "misconduct".
DADT limited their ability to do so. At least that was the intent.
And as we saw today, most in the GOP would make being gay a reason for discharge given the chance.
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Sat Dec-18-10 06:57 PM
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2. DADT was a Clinton policy, and one that was progressive for its time. |
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Before DADT, anti-gay witch hunts were perfectly legal. It's a policy whose time has long since passed, and its repeal is welcome.
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Sat Dec-18-10 07:22 PM
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11. Witch hunts were legal after, too. |
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Sat Dec-18-10 10:50 PM
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22. You can see that just removing the ban on gays was impossible - by looking at the Boxer amend't |
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Edited on Sat Dec-18-10 10:58 PM by karynnj
That was the most progressive position - it allowed the President the ability to implement DADT, but did not codify the policy as law. Many people in favor of this wanted to completely remove the ban and that was offered as a compromise. It failed - there simply were not enough Senators - and that was when we often needed just 50.
Opinions changed greatly since then.
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Sat Dec-18-10 06:58 PM
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3. Yes, he wanted to end the ban |
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but he was convinced by his Army Chief Of Staff, one Colin Powell, that DADT was a good compromise... and truth be told, in 1992 it was.
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Sat Dec-18-10 07:02 PM
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he was railroaded
it was either DADT or nothing
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Sat Dec-18-10 07:07 PM
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10. I am being diplomatic |
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and at the time it WAS a good policy.
Before that people served jail time... a few long terms.
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Sat Dec-18-10 06:58 PM
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4. It's a divide and conquer tactic, they're trying to get a party started. |
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Dem's are supposed to be pissing all over each other by now.
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Sat Dec-18-10 06:59 PM
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5. It might not have been "brought in" by President Clinton, but it was signed by him. n/t |
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Sat Dec-18-10 06:59 PM
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But it's adorable the way Fox innocently points it out.
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Sat Dec-18-10 07:50 PM
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15. Wrong -Sam Nunn and Colin Powell brought this in and |
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lied to everyone about how DADT would be used/applied.
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Sat Dec-18-10 07:00 PM
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8. Fuck what those assholes has to say. |
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Sat Dec-18-10 07:24 PM
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Sat Dec-18-10 07:30 PM
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14. Fuck Fox, when the tax bill passed Fox radio news |
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said Congress extended the Bush tax cuts, a major defeat for Nancy Pelosi that wanted to raise everyone's taxes.
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Sat Dec-18-10 08:02 PM
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16. In their pavlovian response that "everything dems do is wrong" . . . |
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Accidently have come down on the side of gay rights. Sometimes I wonder how they keep their tongues in their heads given how they step on them so much.
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Sat Dec-18-10 09:12 PM
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17. Course it came from Clinton |
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that was his intern policy
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Sat Dec-18-10 09:27 PM
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18. The Clenis. Fox still foxating on the Clenis after all these years. |
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Sat Dec-18-10 09:36 PM
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19. Fox is promoting the gay agenda... |
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they probably have gay sex right in the studios.
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Sat Dec-18-10 10:48 PM
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21. DADT was, but it replaced a ban on gays, even if completely in the closet being in the military |
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It was bad policy and discriminatory, but it was a compromise from the earlier position.
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Sat Dec-18-10 11:48 PM
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23. Most definitely. As was DOMA - |
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- and we haven't been able to get rid of that yet.
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