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Puregonzo1188 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 10:28 PM
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Why Socialism?
There's always on and off chatter on DU about socialism. A lot of people, even on DU, have a lot of misconceptions about what is and isn't socialism. I thought I'd post some excerpts and the link to one of the best introductory essays to socialism ever penned. It's by Albert Einstein. Yes, that Albert Einstein.

In Einstein's words, here's what's wrong for capitalism (yes, even regulated capitalism).

For the sake of simplicity, in the discussion that follows I shall call “workers” all those who do not share in the ownership of the means of production—although this does not quite correspond to the customary use of the term. The owner of the means of production is in a position to purchase the labor power of the worker. By using the means of production, the worker produces new goods which become the property of the capitalist. The essential point about this process is the relation between what the worker produces and what he is paid, both measured in terms of real value. Insofar as the labor contract is “free,” what the worker receives is determined not by the real value of the goods he produces, but by his minimum needs and by the capitalists' requirements for labor power in relation to the number of workers competing for jobs. It is important to understand that even in theory the payment of the worker is not determined by the value of his product.

Private capital tends to become concentrated in few hands, partly because of competition among the capitalists, and partly because technological development and the increasing division of labor encourage the formation of larger units of production at the expense of smaller ones. The result of these developments is an oligarchy of private capital the enormous power of which cannot be effectively checked even by a democratically organized political society. This is true since the members of legislative bodies are selected by political parties, largely financed or otherwise influenced by private capitalists who, for all practical purposes, separate the electorate from the legislature. The consequence is that the representatives of the people do not in fact sufficiently protect the interests of the underprivileged sections of the population. Moreover, under existing conditions, private capitalists inevitably control, directly or indirectly, the main sources of information (press, radio, education). It is thus extremely difficult, and indeed in most cases quite impossible, for the individual citizen to come to objective conclusions and to make intelligent use of his political rights.

The situation prevailing in an economy based on the private ownership of capital is thus characterized by two main principles: first, means of production (capital) are privately owned and the owners dispose of them as they see fit; second, the labor contract is free. Of course, there is no such thing as a pure capitalist society in this sense. In particular, it should be noted that the workers, through long and bitter political struggles, have succeeded in securing a somewhat improved form of the “free labor contract” for certain categories of workers. But taken as a whole, the present day economy does not differ much from “pure” capitalism.

Production is carried on for profit, not for use. There is no provision that all those able and willing to work will always be in a position to find employment; an “army of unemployed” almost always exists. The worker is constantly in fear of losing his job. Since unemployed and poorly paid workers do not provide a profitable market, the production of consumers' goods is restricted, and great hardship is the consequence. Technological progress frequently results in more unemployment rather than in an easing of the burden of work for all. The profit motive, in conjunction with competition among capitalists, is responsible for an instability in the accumulation and utilization of capital which leads to increasingly severe depressions. Unlimited competition leads to a huge waste of labor, and to that crippling of the social consciousness of individuals which I mentioned before.



And before anyone makes this point

Nevertheless, it is necessary to remember that a planned economy is not yet socialism. A planned economy as such may be accompanied by the complete enslavement of the individual. The achievement of socialism requires the solution of some extremely difficult socio-political problems: how is it possible, in view of the far-reaching centralization of political and economic power, to prevent bureaucracy from becoming all-powerful and overweening? How can the rights of the individual be protected and therewith a democratic counterweight to the power of bureaucracy be assured?




I strongly encourage every DUer to read the entire article

http://www.monthlyreview.org/598einstein.php
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 10:34 PM
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1. k&r
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 10:39 PM
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2. knr!~ Marking to read later.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 10:52 PM
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3. Einstein's words will go clear over the heads of over half the people in this nation
and millions of them will do everything and anything in their power to stop anything that they rightly or wrongly consider to be socialism, even to the point of taking up arms and civil war. Because of the intense and bitter political division in this nation there is not a realistic chance for socialism ever to occur here anywhere at the levels of western Europe.

So for those who like to fantasize, go for it. There are freepers who fantasize about the Rapture and that ain't happening either. Reality does suck.
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ReggieVeggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 11:39 PM
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6. ironically, there are socialist institutions in our own country
and some people just aren't capable of admitting it to themselves that it's true
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Puregonzo1188 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 02:53 PM
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9. I don't know if Einstein would think so.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 02:56 PM
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10. socialist institutions implies institutions controlled by the people in some democratic fashion.
i don't believe there are any such institutions except at the local level.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 11:26 PM
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4. Makes sense.
The basic concept of planned society to avoid consolidations and failures in capitalism is easiest seen when production capability surpasses demand.

When production is much lower then demand, capitalism's faults of 'scarcity need' are fulfilled by condition, not by an attempt of capitalism.

The shift to more production then demand some decades or centuries ago however introduced central planning in the form of monopolies for profit to create scarcity and consumerism, and many other planned models for profit, or even war or other items to create demand. That form of central planning fails.

When he mentions central planning he does not mention who should do that planning except a comment about 'society' Another problem exist when capitalism buys that 'society planning sector' by buying elected officials.

So the question is how to form a societal unit that can monitor or adjust society without it falling back into profit motive trap, and then consolidations.


The answer is less productive, less profitable, and less efficient. Many smaller companies and employee owned companies, and government of equal size to monitor and regulate those companies not dependent on money for election.

But not less productive by intent, but because duplications in many companies makes things less profitable, so mega companies like wallmart being more profitable are the problem, since the issue should not be profit.

How do you move it out of 'profit first'? Leaders should care more about society then making a profit, that removes the shareholder model, unless worker owned. Since if worker owned then the worker situation becomes more important then the profit.

The central planning model should be the coercive hammer to break up companies, and reduce their size and profit. Simple rules about size and profit would solve that, but that model being less efficient, tariffs would have to be in place to stop a better system from falling into race to the bottom. So free trade is wrong also.


Basically there has to be enforcements on maximum wages, and maximum sizes of companies. Why there use to be 90% tax bracket. Then when people hit a certain wealth, they stop working, and retire, or work without the money concept being the goal.

The shareholder problem is vast, since breaking up 'ownership' is difficult, it can be done over generations by taxation, or it can be done by revolution or removal of value of something like money, or removal of claims of ownership, squater rights on foreclosed properties.

But anyways, what he says makes sense, and anyone that hears that would agree, the fear many have is the 'central control' because it begins to set prices and stuff like that. The price setting is not needed, just break up the biggest of companies, and use the taxes on high wages to pay for start ups in sectors that society needs, not for profit but for the betterment of society, health, energy, education, entertainment, parks, food, and any other needs.

Central planning works, but if it is just, it should be open to civilian review by not being hidden, and society should be educated to understand, or at least have a form of representative government not ran by threats of harm, or desire for power and money.



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ReggieVeggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 11:36 PM
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5. He was prescient.
Even then he could see what the profit motive would look like towards the bitter end.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 11:45 PM
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7. The most convincing model I've seen in recent years is some form of market socialism.
In the most basic conception, it's a regulated framework where firms are established by laborers, and the laborers are also owners in these enterprises. They compete against each other freely and sell their products at prices determined by the forces of supply and demand.

Basically, it's a model that advocates the establishment of a sector of an economy devoted to labor co-ops. The competition between the co-ops stokes innovation and encourages efficiency, much as it is with a traditional mixed economy such as ours, while at the same time, workers are not left behind in terms of the growing gap between executives and their front-line workers.

True, competition is a force that is also destructive, and firms will fail or be consolidated into other firms, which tends to create unemployment. In a democratic government, though, the people can ensure that the government also becomes an employer of last resort so that these unemployed workers are not left behind. At the same time, the government also acts to protect markets against abusive practices, unfair competition, and the emergence of monopolies and cartels.

In a transitional period, there will be a private sector and a co-op sector, and firms on both sides of the divide compete against each other and against firms on the opposite side.

If socialism is the more attractive option, ultimately, the co-op sector will grow to supercede the private sector in size. The key is that workers are given a choice between working for the fruits of their own labor or selling their labor to a private entity.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 12:55 AM
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8. K/R -- back to read tomorrow -- !!
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 02:58 PM
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11. Thanks Einstein.

no really. :D
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 10:35 PM
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12. Uhhh ...
does it have something to do with being sociable?
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white_wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 10:39 PM
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13. Great article
I posted it here a couple of weeks ago, but in my opinion it should be posted every week.
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Puregonzo1188 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 11:00 PM
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14. Yes, it should. It is the single best introductory article to socialism I have ever read.
It is relatively short (compared to say Das Kapital), fairly explanatory (most people have no idea what socialism really is--worker's control of the means of production) and hits some of the myths (planned economy=socialism).


At the very least, it should be posted every time one of the DU socialism debates takes place.
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white_wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 11:03 PM
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15. Probably most importantly at least in my opinion
Edited on Thu Feb-10-11 11:04 PM by white_wolf
is that unlike Das Kapital and Karl Marx there is no stigma of Einstein. Its easy for people to hate Marx based on Stalin twisting his ideas, but you can't hate Eisenstein he is one of the most respected and influential men of the modern era. To say you hate him is to say you hate knowledge.
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Puregonzo1188 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 11:06 PM
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16. Tell that to J. Edgar Hoover!
Though I get your point and it is very valid.
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