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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 08:10 AM Original message |
If she's lying, it's not rape. If she's telling the truth, it's goddamn rape. |
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xor (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 08:15 AM Response to Original message |
1. How are cases like this usually proven? |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 10:38 AM Response to Reply #1 |
32. logically, they can't be |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 10:55 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Since neither one of these two women went to the police |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 12:04 PM Response to Reply #34 |
46. he admitted to having unprotected sex with them |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 02:16 PM Response to Reply #46 |
67. Maybe you should read the OP article. |
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LawnLover (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 11:54 AM Response to Reply #1 |
45. It's he said/she said apparently |
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NutmegYankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 08:22 AM Response to Original message |
2. You do have an asbestos suit right? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 11:12 AM Response to Reply #2 |
38. I don't see him as a hero. More as a flawed protagonist |
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NutmegYankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 09:45 AM Response to Reply #38 |
78. I wasn't focusing on the rape charge. |
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denem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 08:24 AM Response to Original message |
3. Read it: This does not compute |
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Hamlette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 01:39 PM Response to Reply #3 |
57. It's not if she's lying, by her own words it's not rape. |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 04:35 PM Response to Reply #57 |
75. she isn't required to do anything to stop him |
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Hamlette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 05:08 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. you are reading more into this than is there |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 08:29 AM Response to Original message |
4. This isn't "window dressing"... |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 08:31 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Yes. If she's lying, it's not rape. |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 08:34 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. I read the title of your OP |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 08:36 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Do you agree, IF she's telling the truth THEN it's rape? |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 08:40 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. If she's telling the truth about which version of events, exactly? |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 08:45 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. The two paragraphs I posted. If they occurred as written, is that rape? |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 08:50 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. I'm pleading the 5th |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 08:56 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. "Heated"? |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 09:03 AM Response to Reply #14 |
21. Wise. n/t |
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truth2power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 11:01 AM Response to Reply #4 |
36. Thanks, Turborama. n/t |
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tomm2thumbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 01:47 PM Response to Reply #36 |
62. ditto here |
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redirish28 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 08:32 AM Response to Original message |
6. It isn't rape regardless. You can't hold someone for a broken condom |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 09:22 AM Response to Reply #6 |
28. If the complaint is true - he forced her to continue after the condom broke |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 01:18 PM Response to Reply #28 |
54. DU is suddenly very enthusiastic to change its position on rape. |
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juajen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 01:44 PM Response to Reply #28 |
60. Excuse me, I'm a progressive and I believe this story is bunk! |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 02:15 PM Response to Reply #6 |
66. this isn't about a broken condom |
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KharmaTrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 08:43 AM Response to Original message |
10. The Latest Bright Shiny Toy... |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 08:45 AM Response to Original message |
11. Bullshit |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 08:47 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. You don't believe her. But that doesn't answer the issue. |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 08:58 AM Response to Reply #13 |
18. Sincerely, no |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 09:00 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. I appreciate the answer, thank you. |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 09:22 AM Response to Reply #19 |
29. Thanks Robb. I edited to add that she let him stay in her bed |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 02:52 PM Response to Reply #29 |
73. The psychology of rape is not so simple. It's not unusual for victims to share a bed, a meal, |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 09:20 AM Response to Reply #13 |
26. It was Ardin herself who blogged about going to her new home in Yanoun Palestine |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 02:45 PM Response to Reply #13 |
71. Even if you believe her side of the story a 100 %, does she state |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 11:16 AM Response to Reply #11 |
40. Judging her about letting him stay at the apartment |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 01:40 PM Response to Reply #40 |
59. Not just her apartment. Her bed. While she raved about him. Double fail. n/t |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 08:52 AM Response to Original message |
15. Whether the leaks are true is the point. |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 08:57 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. I wholly believe the leaked documents are genuine. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 09:00 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Then what is the point of speculating whether the leaker is a rapist? |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 09:06 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Because it should have nothing to do with the leaks. |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 09:22 AM Response to Reply #15 |
30. The leaks about the accusations of sexual assault - because the truth of Wikileaks is irrelevant |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 09:07 AM Response to Original message |
23. I would agree.. |
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alc (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 09:11 AM Response to Original message |
24. there's an in between |
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Nikia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 10:56 AM Response to Reply #24 |
35. Maybe men shouldn't proceed unless they hear an enthusiastc yes |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 11:48 AM Response to Reply #35 |
43. An enthusiastic yes, huh? |
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Nikia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 12:37 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. There are some men who are predatory sexually that look for excuses |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 02:34 PM Response to Reply #49 |
70. You not inviting a certain kind of man into your home... |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 12:46 PM Response to Reply #35 |
51. Wow... |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 12:48 PM Response to Reply #35 |
52. she could have said, " No " just once. but I haven't seen that reported. Have you? |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 02:14 PM Response to Reply #35 |
65. Whatever your opinion is, it's not the law. At least here in US. |
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moobu2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 09:19 AM Response to Original message |
25. If she's telling the truth, how is this rape? I cant see it. n/t |
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zeemike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 09:20 AM Response to Original message |
27. And if she is lying can she financially benefit from it? |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 09:23 AM Response to Original message |
31. Can a progressive be guilty of rape or only conservatives? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 11:10 AM Response to Reply #31 |
37. stupid rhetorical question |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 12:17 PM Response to Reply #31 |
48. LOL |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 02:16 PM Response to Reply #31 |
68. That first checkbox is first for a reason. -nt |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
33. Did she ever say "no" or "stop" after she initiated the sex? |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
39. True, and it is all independent of Wikileaks |
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Life Long Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
41. This has nothing to do with wikileaks. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
42. After reading all this, it appears the women |
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NotThisTime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 12:42 PM Response to Reply #42 |
50. That's what's not mentioned, did these women say NO? At any time? |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 11:49 AM Response to Original message |
44. Good luck getting me to vote for such a conviction. |
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Demstud (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
47. Maybe |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 02:12 PM Response to Reply #47 |
64. But after she supposedly held her arms and legs |
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deaniac21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
53. She is probably lying and he will probably soon be dying. |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
55. so ripping a condom = rape |
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Generic Other (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
56. Not rape unless she says "No" which she seems not to have done |
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Hamlette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
58. not from this clip, even if she's telling the truth, it's not rape. |
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tomm2thumbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
61. if you are going to be 'judge and jury' over 2 paragraphs from a newspaper, stay out of my courtroom |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 02:46 PM Response to Reply #61 |
72. +1 |
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Lucinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
63. How did she know the condom was ripped? n/t |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
69. Agreed... |
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Scurrilous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 03:27 PM Response to Original message |
74. K & R |
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glinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 05:14 PM Response to Original message |
77. Avoid having any sex in Sweden. In fact, don't even rub elbows with anyone there. |
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