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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 01:48 PM Original message |
What standardized tests cannot measure and do not encourage |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
1. Same thing happens to me every time I take a new job.. |
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HopeHoops (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
2. Standardized tests can never measure one key factor: FUCKING REALITY! |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
3. Thank you. nt. |
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kath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
4. JD, this was one of the main reasons we homeschooled our children. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 03:40 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. You can do that and send your kids to school. My parents did. And I did for my kids too. |
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starroute (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 04:10 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. Opting out of the tests doesn't help if the tests control the teaching |
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kath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 04:15 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Thanks. So much mind-numbing repetitive bullshit goes on in schools, and the problem gets worse and |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 12:43 PM Response to Reply #11 |
26. See, I've tutored a lot of students who never get mind numbing repetitive bullshit |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 04:20 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. Problem is that homeschooling is not possible in families in which |
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Maat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 10:35 PM Response to Reply #12 |
29. That's interesting that you object, but ... |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
5. The process vs content debate is longstanding in education |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 12:40 PM Response to Reply #5 |
24. Ain't that the truth |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
6. US kids are also failing relative to China in terms or creativity and problem solving |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
7. Excellent. Thank you. |
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Boojatta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
9. What principle did you rely upon to get from your assumption to your conclusion? |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 04:25 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. I was joking. |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
14. Standing on the shoulders of giants |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 11:01 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. I read that Gates attended a private high school and developed |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 10:21 AM Response to Reply #14 |
20. Faraday famously said "I do not have the maths" |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 04:54 PM Response to Original message |
15. True, but... |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 11:07 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Recursion, I agree completely with you. It is a matter of balance. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 07:44 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Hm |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 12:33 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. My gf got an engineering BS |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 12:42 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Weird. The top students in all my classes have been female |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 01:39 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Could be regional. There's a lot more of that sort of thing even in the general populatiobn |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 07:46 PM Response to Reply #18 |
30. Absolutely true. I attended high school in the South in the 1950s. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 08:04 AM Response to Original message |
19. k&r! |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
21. Yes, but standardized tests are fine for assessing the ability to determine the "right answers" |
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montanto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 11:49 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Maybe, maybe not. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 12:58 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Yes, but errors are a part of nonstandardized testing techniques as well. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:13 PM Response to Reply #22 |
33. Something many folks don't know: |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 07:50 PM Response to Reply #21 |
31. Actually no, in many cases they're not |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:07 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. I find that there is usually a strong correlation between essays and standardized test scores. |
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