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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 02:39 PM Original message |
The Witch Hunt Against Assange Is Turning into an Extremely Dangerous Assault on Journalism Itself |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 02:46 PM Response to Original message |
1. Excellent article from Parry |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 01:29 AM Response to Reply #1 |
80. sabrina 1, this really is an excellent article. |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 06:30 AM Response to Reply #1 |
94. Holder let the AIPAC guys walk free after they did exactly the same thing. DOJ concluded no crime |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
2. Bullshit. The women Assange raped and assaulted are left-wing activists who admired his work. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 02:51 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. This article is about journalism, not about Assange. |
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glinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 02:52 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. So you have already judged him. In spite of all the evidence that appears to support otherwise. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 03:14 PM Response to Reply #6 |
14. What "evidence"? I think he's a misogynistic pervert who deserves the scrutiny he's getting. |
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glinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 03:25 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. That is judgement. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 05:09 PM Response to Reply #18 |
28. It's my opinion. Where's your evidence? |
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glinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 05:11 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. You don't back it up. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 05:19 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. So you have no evidence. But I offered facts from the New York Times. |
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markpkessinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 06:27 PM Response to Reply #32 |
42. Oh, well, that settles it then . . . |
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glinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 07:47 PM Response to Reply #42 |
48. lol! |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 06:55 AM Response to Reply #42 |
95. +1 |
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pscot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 09:48 PM Response to Reply #32 |
63. You offered a report based on allegations |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 10:14 PM Response to Reply #32 |
69. The NYT? The WMD NYT? |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 10:19 PM Response to Reply #32 |
71. Because the NYT is such a *factual* newspaper. I mean, look at all those WMDs they |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 01:50 AM Response to Reply #32 |
83. You offered nothing, You offered nothing but false allegations. |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 10:13 AM Response to Reply #32 |
105. Being a water carrier is so very unattractive. nt |
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Alameda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 01:45 PM Response to Reply #32 |
117. You mean, the same NYT that Judith Miller worked for? |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 10:14 PM Response to Reply #28 |
68. The evidence presentation requirement lies with the accuser. |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 01:03 PM Response to Reply #28 |
111. Err... |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 03:29 PM Response to Reply #2 |
21. No such animal as consensual rape and you are using the trumped up charges |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 08:49 PM Response to Reply #21 |
55. I am using the facts as stated by the Swedish police report. Read the article. |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 03:32 PM Response to Reply #2 |
22. New York Times said Iraq had something to do with 9-11 and was loaded with WMDs. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 03:47 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. The very John Burns ClarkUSA keeps quoting worked very closely wih |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 08:51 PM Response to Reply #24 |
58. So what? Clinton worked closely with Dick Morris. Does that mean he's full of shit now? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 08:51 PM Response to Reply #22 |
57. So what? Clinton lied, too. I guess we can't believe a thing Bubba says, either? |
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tomm2thumbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 03:23 AM Response to Reply #22 |
89. but the NY Times is a factual newspaper created without humans, so it cannot tell a lie |
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markpkessinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 06:24 PM Response to Reply #2 |
40. He hasn't even been charged by Sweden |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 08:52 PM Response to Reply #40 |
59. He refuses to go in for questioning. If he's innocent, why won't he go? |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 10:16 PM Response to Reply #59 |
70. Seriously? You would just waltz into a police station AS AN INNOCENT MAN to be questioned? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 11:38 PM Response to Reply #59 |
73. Deleted message |
defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 02:04 AM Response to Reply #59 |
85. Assange did not refuse to go in to be questioned ... |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 10:15 AM Response to Reply #59 |
108. I guess you are also one of those folks that has no problem with being spied on by the government... |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 08:00 PM Response to Reply #2 |
49. He didn't rape anyone and is not accused of rape. he is accused of letting a condom break. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 08:53 PM Response to Reply #49 |
60. Not true. There's alot more than that to the accusations. Read the article. |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 09:57 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. exactly as I said: |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 01:10 PM Response to Reply #65 |
112. exactly |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 10:01 PM Response to Reply #60 |
66. Both women had sex with him AGAIN after the "rapes". went to lunch together. One had a |
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KurtNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 08:44 PM Response to Reply #2 |
54. Red herring anyone... anyone.... Bueller |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 01:26 AM Response to Reply #2 |
79. The rape accusations, true or not, have nothing to do with |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 01:44 AM Response to Reply #2 |
82. And what do you think about the fact that this administration is |
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sirthomas66 (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 02:47 AM Response to Reply #2 |
88. He is an international hero who has exposed the United States for |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 03:27 AM Response to Reply #2 |
90. And you know this for a fact how? |
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LadyHawkAZ (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 03:43 AM Response to Reply #2 |
93. He's been convicted already? |
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smiley (602 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 02:52 PM Response to Reply #2 |
120. your post: |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
3. Robert Parry is a treasure. |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
5. Which brings up the question: what exactly does this party stand for? |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 02:56 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Corporatism and unbridled nation-building. Oh, with a few bones thrown at the "base." |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
7. Yes, this assault on reason begins with Sweden inventing a case. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 03:08 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Do you have a shred of evidence for your claims? I doubt it. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 03:13 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. Yes, and it's apparent to most reasonable people. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 03:15 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Where is it? You'll have to do better than conspiracy rhetoric, I'm afraid. |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 04:41 PM Response to Reply #15 |
25. actually, the US justice dept is going to have to do better than "conspiracy rhetoric." |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 05:09 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. What are you talking about? Quote Eric Holder. It's Sweden that has the case against him. |
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ImOnlySleeping (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 07:59 AM Response to Reply #15 |
97. interpol |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 09:38 AM Response to Reply #15 |
102. It's obvious to anyone who is logical and rational this is a bogus case. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 03:25 PM Response to Reply #10 |
19. I hope John Burns is more accurate on this story than he was Saddam's WMD. n/ |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 05:12 PM Response to Reply #19 |
30. He's quoting the Swedish authorities. Unless you have proof otherwise, he's accurate. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 05:17 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. You mean, like he reduces the timeline to only four days |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 05:20 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. You obviously didn't read the NYT article I highlighted. Go back and read it before replying to me. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 05:22 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Yes, I have read that. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 05:24 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Yet you accuse Burns of not reporting things he did indeed mention in his article. |
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mogster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 06:43 PM Response to Reply #36 |
43. If this has nothing to do with journalism and wikileaks |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 07:35 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. "Why are we debating it here?" |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 01:15 PM Response to Reply #46 |
113. for that matter |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 02:36 AM Response to Reply #113 |
123. we know Bush... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 01:23 AM Response to Reply #36 |
78. Look at this: |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 03:43 AM Response to Reply #30 |
92. You are just a tad |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 10:22 AM Response to Reply #92 |
109. Me thinks he protests to much. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 11:25 AM Response to Reply #109 |
110. Same impression, here. nt |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 09:00 PM Response to Reply #10 |
61. Claes Borgstrom, the man who wants every man in Sweden to pay a "Man Tax" |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 02:03 AM Response to Reply #10 |
84. Do you know anything about Claes Borgstrom? |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 03:41 AM Response to Reply #10 |
91. LOL! |
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lib2DaBone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
9. Some say... the CIA is using Assange to get at it's enemies |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 03:10 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Vaughan Smith is a big supporter of independent journalism |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 03:11 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Some say other outrageous things designed to isolate Assange and weaken his defense |
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KurtNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 08:50 PM Response to Reply #12 |
56. the ancient "Kill the Messenger" strategy has become "character assassinate the Messenger" |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 02:23 AM Response to Reply #9 |
87. Some say when the CIA cannot control things, they make up |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 01:19 PM Response to Reply #87 |
114. More likely... |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 04:17 PM Response to Reply #114 |
122. I agree, which is why a don't give those claims any credibility. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
16. Journalisim is not conspiracy in theft.. |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 07:46 PM Response to Reply #16 |
47. You hold this "conspiracy" stuff to be Word of God, don't you? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 08:10 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. (1:51:25 PM) bradass87: i'd have to ask assange , < |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 08:23 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Let's not take things out of context, shall we? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 08:41 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Redacted. WIll be interesting to see the logs |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 01:35 AM Response to Reply #51 |
81. Manning says he doesn't answer to Assange. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 02:48 PM Response to Reply #81 |
119. A few more months or even years in solitary and Manning might change his tune! |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
17. This is a great article by Parry and well worth the read. Don't expect many in the corporate media |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 03:26 PM Response to Original message |
20. So far it's just assange..... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 03:45 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Stars and Stripes newspaper threatened with government censorship due to WikiLeaks articles |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
26. Recommend |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 05:21 PM Response to Original message |
34. This moronic bullshit works, apparently. Everyone's talking about Assange, and no one is |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 05:28 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. See my remark, number 35. |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 06:48 PM Response to Reply #34 |
44. +1,000! |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 07:09 PM Response to Reply #34 |
45. I agree with your last paragraph............ |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 09:01 PM Response to Reply #34 |
62. Done deliberately. +10,000 n/t |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 11:41 PM Response to Reply #34 |
76. Foreign press is doing much, much better. nt |
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emmadoggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 01:17 AM Response to Reply #34 |
77. Absolutely agree! That has been driving me nuts! nt |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
37. Several years ago, I documented the types of "Filters" |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 05:55 PM Response to Original message |
39. K&R |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 06:25 PM Response to Original message |
41. What journalism? |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 08:26 PM Response to Reply #41 |
52. Good point. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 11:40 PM Response to Reply #52 |
74. Wikileaks has people doing analysis, too and |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 09:53 PM Response to Reply #41 |
64. The kind of journalism that won Julian Assange the 2009 Amnesty International Media Award. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 10:12 PM Response to Original message |
67. The O admin is also arguing in court that a citizen has no right to privacy ANYWHERE NOT HIS |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 11:40 PM Response to Reply #67 |
75. What case is that, WinkyDink? n/t |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 10:15 AM Response to Reply #75 |
107. Details here. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 04:05 PM Response to Reply #107 |
121. Thank you, benEzra. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 02:17 AM Response to Reply #67 |
86. Wow .... this may be the last hurrah for journalism .... look what it takes now to get truth!! |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 09:06 AM Response to Reply #67 |
99. Is there a link to article about the domicile/driveway case? |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 10:13 AM Response to Reply #99 |
106. Here's an article from Time: |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 01:31 PM Response to Reply #106 |
116. Thank you, Ben Ezra. |
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Kurovski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 11:13 PM Response to Original message |
72. K&R. (nt) |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 07:03 AM Response to Original message |
96. Has the US charged him with anything? No. |
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Pharaoh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 08:59 AM Response to Original message |
98. Truth |
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myrna minx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 09:18 AM Response to Original message |
100. K&R n/t |
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elias7 (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 09:34 AM Response to Original message |
101. Wikileaks is a media outlet |
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abelenkpe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 02:22 PM Response to Reply #101 |
118. +1 nt. |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 09:54 AM Response to Original message |
103. kick |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
104. I am disappointed to see this administration pick up the cause of Gov't Secrecy with such enthusiasm |
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sofa king (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
115. "Journalism" has been a laughable sham for 10 years. |
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