I get nervous when the media start talking about "Obama victories"?

[kentuck]

Such as the taxcuts extension.

They really don't care that Obama gets the credit if they get what they want. Repubs always "want" in the short term. They will worry about the other bridge when they get to it.

Because they know the media will support the Repub position because they support the position of the mainstream media and their profit motivations.

I wonder more and more just how much opposition is within the Democratic Party? Are they capable of opposing the Repubs and the MSM anymore? Are they even relevant in this new political world?

I wonder?

[jaxx]

1. I wonder how many times people are going to ignore the President

saying he didn't support the tax cuts for the rich either? But he supported unemployment extensions and the tax breaks for the middle class.

[kentuck]

2. And half of America did not even know he was fighting for it.

The cartoon of the card game: "I fold".

[theoldman]

4. That was an unforgettable cartoon.

Too bad it had to be negative about Obama.

[jaxx]

5. Are you kidding, the unemployed knew.

They knew their lives depended on it getting extended.

[Edweird]

3. The president has 'said' a lot of things.

I can't imagine very many people taking him at his word these days.

[jaxx]

6. I can't imagine them not.

He gets things done.

[Edweird]

7. Republican things for the most part.

[jaxx]

8. Ha Ha Ha.

One republican thing and now they all are. Oh save us all from the bs.

[Edweird]

9. I see. Which, in your mind, was the 'one republican thing'?

[jaxx]

10. Extending the tax cuts for 2 years for the rich.

The pubs wanted it forever, but 2 years made them happy.

[Edweird]

11. I suppose you're blissfully unaware of the history of the 'individual mandate'

and the 'cadillac tax'.

[jaxx]

12. I'm aware of them both.

Are you saying they're republican?

[Edweird]

13. Are you saying they aren't?

[jaxx]

14. The mandate is to get people insured.

The cadillac plans are from the ins co's.

[Edweird]

15. Republicans have been pushing that since around Nixon.

It was John McCain's campaign position.

[jaxx]

19. Mass. has it in their health care plan.

[Edweird]

23. Right. Brought to you by Mitt Romney (R). Which is exactly my point.

[jaxx]

26. If I remember right Mitt is now saying he isn't for it.

[Edweird]

31. So he admits that it's shitty RW policy?

[jaxx]

33. No, he knows it works but he wants to run for prez and the teabaggers

won't love him if he tells the truth. Mitt is rather flip-floppy ya know.

[Edweird]

37. You mean like promising not to sign a bill that doesn't contain a public option?

[Edweird]

34. Here's your Progressive Liberal hero, Newt Gingrich talking about how great it is. June 18, 2008

http://health.newamerica.net/blogposts/2008/reform_newt_gingrich_on_free_riders_and_the_individual_mandate-18127

Hell HIS plan would only force those making $75,000 or above to purchase.

[Edweird]

36. Here's your Progressive Liberal hero, Newt Gingrich talking about how great it is. June 18, 2008

http://health.newamerica.net/blogposts/2008/reform_newt_gingrich_on_free_riders_and_the_individual_mandate-18127

Hell HIS plan would only force those making $75,000 or above to purchase.

[jaxx]

42. Is there some reason you are deliberately choosing to call Newt my hero?

Because it looks to me like you've lost the argument and are now resorting to personal attacks.

Which means it's time to tell you good-bye before it gets out of hand.

Have a good night.

[Edweird]

43. You. Got. Nothin.

[Edweird]

24. Wait, let me guess: You think McCain, Hatch, Romney and Newt Gingrich are all sercret liberals....

[jaxx]

27. I must say that nonsense was expected.

Really, I think they're assholes.

[Edweird]

29. You're right. They are RW republican assholes that supported the RW individual mandate.

[Edweird]

18. Did you support it in 1993 when Orrin Hatch sponsored it?

[jaxx]

20. I've been for some sort of universal health care plan since I was

old enough to know what it means to pay up when you leave the hospital. I'd have to look up Hatch, that was awhile back. But I supported Hillary Clinton going for health care.

[Edweird]

21. Insurance is NOT health care.

[kentuck]

22. It's more like a socialist Ponzi scheme...

:-)

[jaxx]

28. Oh spare me the ponzi stuff.

To read here half the money in this country is ponzi.

[jaxx]

25. It's the means to pay for it, and the means by which most

care is done. Until Medicare gets a huge infusion of money for the next 50 years we are stuck with insurance. Make the most of it.

[Edweird]

30. It's RW policy.

[jaxx]

32. Whatever.

It is also subsidized in 2014.

[Edweird]

38. So it's 'subsidized' RW policy. Well hell, that changes EVERYTHING!

[Edweird]

39. BTW, you've not ONCE addressed the issue - you've simply been spouting talking points.,

[jaxx]

40. That's funny. I have a lot of posts in this and a lot of answers.

[Edweird]

41. Oh ok. So remind me again where you showed the individual mandate isn't RW policy.

[WCGreen]

16. It's pretty dark right now but within a few years, I see the MSM being more

and more irrelevant as the younger generations look for news elsewhere.

The demographics for the old style news media is skewed toward the older voters and they will start to drop off.

I don't know for sure but I would imagine that the demographics for Rush and Beck and Hannity are real heavy in the white male 50 and older area which is a static demo that has no chance of growing.

I think the generation that started to come of age in 2004 will be one that is more interested in getting things done instead of the paralysis that is ruining the country they will inherit.

I have a great deal of confidence that this contentious political discourse is a symptom of Boomer self examination, that they were raised to put themselves before anything. Look at th protests against the war. It wasn't because they were against the war it was because they might have to go and fight....

Think about it. Look at how they have behaved since they have been in power.

I'm at the ass end of the Boomer generation and I am disgusted with how things have turned out.

I have been around so many younger people that I am at least cautiously optimistic.

[kentuck]

17. Youth will be served.

I have no doubt. It always is.

Obama is a fairly young dude himself.

[WCGreen]

35. Younger than me....

It's the older guys in the Senate that are causing all the problems, the guys 55 and older.

What cracks me up is this lament by the boomer's who are wondering what went wrong with the Utopian dreams that had in the late 60's.

The minute this generation came into power we enacted NAFTA...

Think about it, selling off the manufacturing base for the promise of cheap trinkets.

I was so upset about NAFTA but I felt that the self absorbed nature of the GOP was worse.

With the GOP you at least know they are going to fuck you over.

With the smooth talking democrats you have a knife sliding in while you are talking to them...