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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 10:50 PM
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60 Minutes - State Budgets: Day of Reckoning
Edited on Sun Dec-19-10 10:53 PM by SHRED
It was bullshit. They focused on that fat fuck Gov Christie of NJ. All he and they could go on and on about is how broke the States are and the need to cut, cut, and cut. Special focus was on the public employee pensions and the economy's threat to the normally rock stable municipal bond markets.

I am so fucking sick of this mindset.
This mindset that the radio and TV push.
The mindset that pits us against each other creating this false image that somehow the government worker and his meger pension is to blame as opposed to the following:

Why aren't they talking about these unfunded wars that are costing us over $2 billion PER WEEK?
Why aren't they talking about bonuses paid to the same Wall St robber barons who caused our economic collapse?
Why aren't they talking about the fiscal insanity of extending the "Bush tax cuts" above the first $250K and what that loss means to the stability of the bond markets? These markets that fund State and Local governments.

Frustrating to see Gov Christie tell a teacher, "you don't have to do it"....after she told him that the teachers are not being compensated for their level of education and training.

Pigs.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7166293n&tag=contentMain;contentBody

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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 10:54 PM
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1. How are the governors
going to move money from Iraq and Afghanistan to their state budgets?
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 10:59 PM
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4. By pallet of course.
Carried by C-130's. That's how we carried unaccounted for billions over there years ago.
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WorseBeforeBetter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 11:30 PM
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8. Well done. (n/t)
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 11:54 PM
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10. When will they cover THAT!
Hope Assange has something in that regard. It should be headlines in every friggen paper in the country.

Our infrastructure in a shambles and we need jobs. Put that money to work hiring people for repairing our crumbling country - a plan used by FDR.

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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 11:03 PM
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6. Are they all mutes?
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 10:55 PM
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2. I saw that too.
He was going on and on about pensions and unions.

I was thinking the whole time that if all NJ workers had the benefits of those unions the additional taxes collected would more than cover those pensions promised to public workers. Part of the problems we face today are wages that have not gone up in 3 decades for the average worker.
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Newest Reality Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 10:55 PM
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3. McPravda provides the best mindfuck that money can buy! -NT
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 11:01 PM
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5. Gov Christie is being propped up as a...
...potential Republican Presidential candidate in 2012. The MSM is helping
the Republicans along, if you will.

I was very shocked by this story--especially about municipal bonds being in terrible
trouble. Looks like we're poised for another collapse in the banking industry. The
woman/expert said to expect deep trouble within the next year.

I'm also shocked that the Illinois government is allowed to operate they way it does--
borrowing from everyone and anyone connected to state government. Many of our states
are in trouble. The signs are really showing now. Many schools in my state--in rural
areas, are closing or are forced to combine with other schools.

So many stories about collapse.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 11:26 PM
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7. GOP determined to push states into bankruptcy and cripple public employee unions
Naked Capitalism is on this, and it is ominous.


Trojan Horse in Tax Compromise: GOP Plan to Bankrupt States, Break Unions (Updated)

December 7, 2010



Congressional Republicans appear to be quietly but methodically executing a plan that would a) avoid a federal bailout of spendthrift states and b) cripple public employee unions by pushing cash-strapped states such as California and Illinois to declare bankruptcy. This may be the biggest political battle in Washington, my Capitol Hill sources tell me, of 2011.

That’s why the most intriguing aspect of President Barack Obama’s tax deal with Republicans is what the compromise fails to include — a provision to continue the Build America Bonds program. BABs now account for more than 20 percent of new debt sold by states and local governments thanks to a federal rebate equal to 35 percent of interest costs on the bonds. The subsidy program ends on Dec. 31. And my Reuters colleagues report that a GOP congressional aide said Republicans “have a very firm line on BABS — we are not going to allow them to be included.”


In short, the lack of a BAB program would make it harder for states to borrow to cover a $140 billion budgetary shortfall next year, as estimated by the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities. The long-term numbers are even scarier. Estimates of states’ unfunded liabilities to pay for retiree benefits range from $750 billion to more than $3 trillion.

This report has serious, and apparently unrecognized implications:

1. The cheery observations that state tax receipts and spending are set to increase in 2011 by 5% will be more than undercut by budget brinksmanship in key states

2. This GOP strategy sounds troublingly similar to the famed scene in Blazing Saddles where the new black sheriff, getting a less than welcome reception from townspeople, threatens to shoot himself. The GOP is willing to shoot the economy to precipitate a crisis with the hopes of forcing the most favorable resolution possible to a long-standing desire of theirs. But the collateral damage will be considerable. Uncertainty over the muni bond market will likely extend well beyond particular states (many people invest in munis via funds rather than specific bonds, and if they exit that market, it will damage all sorts of blameless government entities who have the vast misfortune to need to access the market in 2011). And it is also not inconceivable that unions might actually get the balls to strike, shutting down critical services. If a drama of civil unrest takes place, this will damage the markets (and hence the wealthy GOP investor base) and the economy generally.

3. It isn’t hard to recognize this move as part of an effort to push America further into banana republic land, with a small and wealthy elite controlling the government and a greatly disproportionate share of the wealth. As we’ve indicated, those sorts of societies are unhealthy, even for those at the very top, but that does not seem to deter anyone behind this campaign. Notice that the objective here is not to do the responsible thing, which is to figure out the fairest and least destructive way out of the states’ budget woes; it’s instead to push this festering problem to a crisis to achieve another goal, namely, break unions, with the objective of transferring even more to the rentier class. Now that we’ve had stagnant average worker wages for over thirty years, government worker pay, which used to lag considerably, now looks not too bad (although various studies have pointed out that government pay is not out of line when you look at job skill requirements; you have more white collar jobs in government than in the private sector. Cherry picking examples of arguably overpaid government sector workers is no different than trying to base private sector tax policy on examples of ostentatiously overpaid private sector workers, like John Thain’s driver, who made $230,000 in 2008).

And note that those stagnant average worker wages resulted not from some widespread failing of US workers, as some critics like to allege, but because the benefits of productivity gains, which used to be shared between workers and the companies, now accrue entirely to companies.

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(more at the link, including update)



It is quite obvious that working within the system will be insufficient to challenge this onslaught of GOP-engineered destruction of our country.





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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 11:36 PM
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9. why aren't they talking about raising taxes
California has a huge problem, yet is one of the friendliest states to be rich in. Why not tax the companies and people who get most of the money society generates? Oh I know then they'll just move. Then just eminent domain their factory and run it or sell it off to someone else.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 03:41 AM
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14. California elected Jerry Brown, and I believe he will raise taxes.
I think Californians will support him in that effort. I could be wrong, but I think we are sick of what is happening.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 12:18 PM
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18. He's already talking about cutting the school budget
so I have my doubts. California law makes it nearly impossible to raise taxes.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 01:14 PM
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19. it will be very difficult under Jerry's proposed plan....
He plans to make up the shortfall wherever possible with budget cuts, and has already pledged deep cuts to education. On the revenue side he plans to "ask" Californians via ballot initiatives. Unless he does one hell of a sales job, I cannot see a majority in this state voting to raise their taxes significantly, not in this economy.

Jerry needs to work with the legislature to identify revenue sources and simply do what needs to be done, regardless of political consequences. I presume that his initiative plan is because he doubts that working with the legislature is possible, especially with the 2/3 majority rule remaining in place for tax matters.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 12:01 AM
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11. Another myth: all state employees belong to unions.
Edited on Mon Dec-20-10 12:02 AM by alarimer
I don't. Of course I live in Texas (a "right to work" state- more like a right to screw employees)- I am surprised I actually have it better here than working for the state in Florida. I think we are about to get screwed in the next budget. I am less worried about layoffs than I am about the retirement system destroying our health care benefits by turning them into catastrophic, high deductible plans.

I don't know if most people are aware of this or not but some public employees aren't eligible for SS because they do not pay into it. They have separate retirement plans. I don't really know how common that is. In Texas, in some counties, it is mainly teachers. I do pay into SS and also have a pension plan.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 03:42 AM
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15. You are right. The state employee pensions are instead of Social Security.
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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 08:07 AM
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16. This holds true for many local gov employees also


In California many have CalPERS and that is it.
No Social Security.

A fact not brought up by the public employee bashers.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 01:23 AM
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12. For decades the Federal gov. cut taxes and sent mandates to the states
You have the Repugs to thank for this crisis... per usual.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 03:40 AM
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13. Only the rich have money and they don't pay much in state taxes.
That's why states are broke.

It has nothing to do with pensions, etc. Back when my parents were retiring, everyone expected to get a pension. Now, very few people get pensions.

Our nation is getting poorer overall. That's why states are broke.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 08:13 AM
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17. That is the situation I am in
I knew being on a fixed income was never going to be easy when I retired. But I thought I could do it. But instead of a fixed income I have an income that is reducing so there is no room for my taxes to increase any more.

Don
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sad sally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 01:36 PM
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20. One reason State budgets are in deep trouble this story omitted:
For the last 10 years or so, both States and many of their cities began wooing corporations to set up there with the carrot of not paying one red cent in taxes for multiple multiple years.

Corporations would take the hand out, build some outlandish buildings on prime real estate they acquired at no interest loans (which at the time did create employment), then when the next State or city offered a better deal, they'd leave.

Drive around any place and you'll see huge commercial buildings empty - FOR SALE. Not a lick of taxes were ever collected while at the same time, huge profits by the corporations are made, with huge tax refunds from their benefactors (us average taxpayers).

And don't forget about the sweet trade deals Clinton and Bush gave to corporations to move their operations to some other Country to exploit their workers.

Governors and mayors should look at all that unpaid revenue, not just at public workers.
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