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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 02:09 PM
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Army wants rapid-fire rubber bullets for crowd control
17 February 2011 by David Hambling

THE US army is planning to field "rubber bullets" for machine guns. Military officials claim the ammunition will allow them to more effectively quell violent protests without loss of life, but human rights campaigners are alarmed by the new weapon.

The final design for the XM1044 round has not been selected, according to an order placed on the Federal Business Opportunities website last month, but the army's Joint Non-Lethal Weapons Directorate has been working on a ring aerofoil projectile for some years. The round is a hollow plastic cylinder 40 millimetres across, looking something like a short toilet-paper roll. In flight its shape generates lift, giving it a longer range.

The army's existing crowd-control rounds are single shots fired from handheld grenade launchers with a range of about 50 metres - the XM1044 would double this range. It would be supplied in belts for the Mk19 grenade launcher, a truck-mounted weapon that can fire almost six rounds per second. The Mk19 has been exported to some 30 countries, including Egypt.

"The US army has a requirement for a rapid-fire non-lethal capability," says Ken Schulters, project manager for close combat systems at Picatinny Arsenal in New Jersey. "All currently fielded non-lethal ammunition is single shot."

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20927995.600-army-wants-rapidfire-rubber-bullets-for-crowd-control.html
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sadbear Donating Member (799 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 02:13 PM
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1. So we'll just make rubber bullet-proof vests
:sarcasm:
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 02:14 PM
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2. At this particular time, I find this fucking scary!
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 02:16 PM
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3. Indeed. Anything to protect the uber 'elite'. Fuck the rest of us.
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cutlassmama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 02:17 PM
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4. For the riots this spring/summer
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somone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 02:18 PM
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5. Crowd Control Is Job One
Edited on Fri Feb-18-11 02:20 PM by somone
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 02:19 PM
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6. For use here and for use by allies in Bahrain, Egypt, Yemen, Libya etc...
Lovely.

Rec'd with shame and disgust.
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demmiblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 02:19 PM
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7. Reminds me of the anti-war protest in Oakland (graphic).
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GSLevel9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 02:27 PM
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that looks like it hurts... probably took a lot of ice. nt
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 02:30 PM
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15. I remeber her pic
I used to post it for freepers who HATED anti-war protesters. They still rfuse to admit they were wrong.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 02:20 PM
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8. Bunch of jackbooted thugs want permission to kill...
the average citizens. Fight or die!
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 02:26 PM
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12. Unrecced for phrase...
"jack-booted thugs".
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 02:40 PM
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19. You have a better name for them?
??
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 02:49 PM
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20. Read the article in the OP again...
Edited on Fri Feb-18-11 02:58 PM by SDuderstadt
It says the Army is seeking better NON-LETHAL ways to subdue VIOLENT protests.

First of all, violent protests aren't legal. Secondly, if they were really "jack-booted thugs", why would they hesitate to use live ammo? This tendency that some posters here have to project an "us vs them" mindset by using emotionally-laden, demonizing terms like "jack-booted thugs' is truly appalling.

I swear, there are days I feel I have accidentally landed in Free Republic.

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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 02:20 PM
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9. This is a shout-out to anyone who dares...
...to question our government.

Just a friendly little reminder that the government will use violence against you, if you
decide do something outrageous--like protest or speak out.

I'm surprised the article didn't include a friendly reminder about what the Patriot Act
enables them to do to us.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 02:27 PM
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13. Yep. n/t
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 02:29 PM
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14. Yeah, bullets (rubber- so what) for use on American citizens.
This is just SO not right. How anyone can say it is needs to wake up and now!
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 03:02 PM
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21. Where does the article say...
"for use on American citizens"?
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 02:23 PM
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10. Rapid fire, yet?
Sounds like they're expecting a reason to use these.....
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GSLevel9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 02:23 PM
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11. SWEEEEEETTTTT!!!!!
Just wish I owned the rubber machine gun bullet factory getting the contract. Hmmm.... maybe $5 per bullet? Sound good?
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 02:33 PM
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16. "human rights campaigners are alarmed by the new weapon" - and should be!
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 02:36 PM
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17. "quell violent protests"
Is this really part of the mission statement of the US army, assuming such protests take place within our borders?
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 02:39 PM
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18. Grenade launchers should be a pretty good crowd control devices.
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