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Badfish Donating Member (543 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 01:17 PM
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When Walker backs down this will be...
a enormous victory for labor.

And he WILL back down.

The tide is going to drown him if he doesn't , the behind the door pressure from his fellow GOPers must be pretty heavy right about now, and I would imagine that many 'face saving' scenarios were being presented to Walker as I type.

The unions will retain their rights , I don't see this playing out any other way at this point.

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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 01:18 PM
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1. Hope you're right - I don't see him backing down. He thinks this will...
...make him a right-wing hero.
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Badfish Donating Member (543 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 01:26 PM
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5. I don't see how he holds out.
The power of protest will be known to all after he backs down , anything could happen then , he might have awakened the sleeping giant across this nation.

His 'showdown' could backfire in a massive way , reaching far beyond Wisconsin.

I wanna know when the giant rat comes out...

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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 01:29 PM
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7. The Protest are esculating all across the country
This is going to be a MAJOR policy catastrophe for the RATpubliCONs

Keep it up Scott - your doing more for the Democratic Party then the DNC ever could
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Badfish Donating Member (543 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 01:56 PM
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9. I agree.
Couldn't be worse for the GOP running up to this election.

Their teabagger Frankenstein is in the drivers seat now , and they can't get the wheel back , they will drive them right off the cliff.
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cognoscere Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 02:10 PM
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11. I have to agree - people in other states are finally waking up.
As for Walker caving...hard to tell. He is less educated and more stupid than Bush and seems to be more arrogant as well. What I'd like to see is his recall next January, Ryan and Johnson defeated next election, and then the State House cured of the cancer that Republicans have become.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 06:41 PM
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19. Some folks thought Mubarak wouldn't step down as well
Edited on Tue Feb-22-11 06:42 PM by malaise
Walker will back down.

add letters
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 01:24 PM
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2. With this success
There could be a resurgence of Unions across the country.
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 01:25 PM
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3. He will not back down
the Koch Brothers are going to buy him the White House.

The stakes are big.
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bergie321 Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 02:37 PM
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13. Scary thought
A President without a college education?
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 02:40 PM
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14. Hasn't happened since Truman, and it won't ever happen again.
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Badfish Donating Member (543 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 06:33 PM
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16. thats a losing bet.
The stakes are big , but not that big.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 06:39 PM
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18. I agree, the stakes are big
And this is a major play by the Kochs and their pals to break organized labor for a generation or longer. If labor wins, we'll be back at again in a year or two. If labor loses, everyone who currently works for a paycheck will be screwed for life. This is an existential battle, and working people - union or not - need to be fighting for their rights.

And when this battle is done for a little while, I surely hope working people take careful note not only of who their enemies were during the fight, but who stood quietly by, waiting to see how it might all play out.
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Poboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 06:43 PM
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20. You do not write hyperbole.
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BobbyBoring Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 01:26 PM
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4. I don't see it either
These ass fucks really believe they are doing the "Will of the people" and those demonstrating are defying said will. Until that lie is exposed, there will be no compromise~
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 01:29 PM
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6. Let's say he does... The Dems come back, the bill with big givebacks passes AND
Wisconsin's utilities will all belong to the Koch Brothers. Satisfying, good for collective bargaining, but pyhrric in the end.
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alterfurz Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 01:53 PM
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8. compromise is absolutely NOT in Walker's nature...
...take it from one who witnessed his autocratic 8-yr misrule of Milwaukee County, now teetering on the edge of bankruptcy.

He won't bend, he'll have to be broken. Past successes make him smugly confident he can control and ride out the storm he has conjured up, but this one isn't just a tempest in a county teapot anymore. He has sown the wind here in Wisconsin, but can he remain standing in the whirlwind he will reap?
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ChoppinBroccoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 02:00 PM
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10. I Wish I Shared Your Optimism
I'm here in Ohio doing everything possible to defeat this P.O.S. bill, SB 5, which is pretty much identical to the fight that's going on in Wisconsin. Regardless of how much and how loudly we all protest, I just don't see Kasich (our version of Walker) or any of the Republicans not towing the party line and voting this monstrosity into law. This is an edict that has come down from on high. I just feel like the fact that the Ohio Senate is even bothering to have hearings on this bill is a complete farce. They all know how they're going to vote, and nothing they see or hear is going to change their minds. They're hoping that the electorate is so stupid that we just plain won't remember this vote come November (or November '12, or whenever they're up for reelection). And the sad part of it is, they're probably right. This fight will be nothing more than a distant memory come Election Day.

I guess hearing Kasich on Faux News crowing about how he was "guaranteeing" that the bill would pass just gave me a sick feeling in my stomach that the dye has been cast and we're powerless to stop it.
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 02:18 PM
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12. We are not powerless.
We may lose a few rounds, but we will win soundly in the end. Elections are coming up in 2012. We can take the organizing force of the sleeping giant that has been awakened and use it to send the repubs and the teagaggers packing.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 02:43 PM
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15. I hope and pray you are correct but I don't think he has anything to gain by backing down
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 06:34 PM
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17. he Will back down....
Once the Police and Firemen walk out.....we're about a week away !
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