Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

In Vermont, single-payer health care in a single state

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » General Discussion Donate to DU
 
t0dd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 12:33 AM
Original message
In Vermont, single-payer health care in a single state
Congress never really considered a single-payer health plan run by the government. Vermont is planning for one. This isn’t some liberal fantasy. Vermont lawmakers are serious. To understand how serious, you only have to look at the resumes of William Hsiao and Jonathan Gruber.

Hsiao, a Harvard economist, is credited with designing Taiwan’s single-payer system. Gruber, an M.I.T. economist, helped design Massachusetts’ near-universal health care system and the federal health care reform law itself. They’re on the team that the Vermont legislature contracted with this year to explain how single-payer would work there. In other words, the nation’s 49th most populous state is deploying some of the world’s leading experts to redesign its health care system. Their report is due early next year, after which Vermont will decide whether to become America’s first single-payer state.

...

For now, though, those obstacles haven’t compromised the incoming governor’s commitment to the single-payer concept. In fact, he doesn’t think he has much of a choice.

Shumlin’s view is that health care interests are powerful enough in Washington that aggressive cost containment isn’t really possible there. “I believe that the states will have to lead true, meaningful health care reform,” he says. “We have a real opportunity to lead the country in health care if we have the courage.” But Shumlin and others also argue that, despite some of the difficulties, Vermont is the perfect place to try.

The biggest advantage Vermont has is the political environment in the state. Blue Cross Blue Shield Vermont, the state’s largest private insurer, has stayed neutral on single-payer. “We don’t think it’s our role,” says Kevin Goddard, the company’s vice president of external affairs. Even the state chamber of commerce, while somewhat dubious of the concept in its purest form, isn’t actively opposed yet.

http://www.stateline.org/live/details/story?contentId=535073
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 12:36 AM
Response to Original message
1. Good. Someone needs to try it. I had hopes for MN but since this
state has elected a teabagger congress nothing good will happen here. Thank God, we have Dayton to veto some of the junk.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 12:36 AM
Response to Original message
2. Yay Vermont! Leading the nation in conservation, politics, community and health! nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 12:42 AM
Response to Reply #2
3. Does Vermont have a high speed rail yet? They sound like the future.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 09:19 AM
Response to Reply #3
11. Yes! They have high speed COW POWERED rail, the Chinese are envious nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 12:48 AM
Response to Original message
4. Yet another good reason to move to Vermont! Their ambassador, Senator Bernie Sanders,
and now this, make it sound like what we all think America SHOULD be!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 12:50 AM
Response to Original message
5. I hope it works, but Vermont
Edited on Tue Dec-14-10 12:51 AM by frazzled
is also, at a population of 621,760, the 49th out of 50 states in population. It's the size of El Paso, Texas (620, 426). It is 98.12% white. Despite being 49th in the nation in population, it's 15th in the nation in income.

Some may say it doesn't matter that Vermont is unique in many ways, as described above, but I think it means Vermont may be able to do things that are not easily or readily replicable in other states. But I hope they make a good experiment out of it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 01:20 AM
Response to Reply #5
8. Canadian single-payer health care began in Saskatchewan, which is small population-wise and atypical
Edited on Tue Dec-14-10 01:23 AM by RufusTFirefly
Much like Vermont.

The "father" of the Canadian national health system, former Saskatchewan Premier Tommy Douglas, was named the Greatest Canadian in a poll done by the CBC several years back.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 10:00 AM
Response to Reply #5
12. That's not true, it's black and white
the cows that is..
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 10:07 AM
Response to Reply #5
13. As long as the demographics are representative of larger populations
I don't see why this can't be scaled up.

It's possible having a mostly rural population like Vermont could present a challenge in that you have to provide services for a more spread out population. In the cities, you can centralize it more and serve more people with less infrastructure, so it might work even better in El Paso.

Fingers crossed.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Willinois Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 12:56 AM
Response to Original message
6. States are allowed to do this because of the HCR bill, correct?
Thank you President Obama.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 05:16 AM
Response to Reply #6
9. Not until 2017, which Sanders is trying to change n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Willinois Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 11:32 AM
Response to Reply #9
14. They can get a waiver to do it sooner.
I'm guessing the waiver will be approved with Obama as President.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 01:04 AM
Response to Original message
7. the MA and Federal schemes? those are the OPPOSITES of universal healthcare! nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 05:27 AM
Response to Original message
10. Even though my metro area is more populous than the whole state
of Vermont, it is obvious the bigger ideas come out of Vermont. Godspeed.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr 24th 2024, 03:22 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » General Discussion Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC