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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 03:56 PM Original message |
Why should liberals care at all about preserving the private health insurance market? |
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egoclothes (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
1. It was and IS a free market health insurance "reform" which I will NOT defend! |
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Davis_X_Machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
2. Firedoglake... |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 04:10 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. I get it! The way to end the private health insurance industry is to save them! |
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Davis_X_Machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 04:19 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. It sounds as though your end... |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 04:30 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. You're right! The private health insurance industry provides nothing of value to health care. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 06:17 PM Response to Reply #4 |
19. Private insurance doesn't provide care. |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 07:38 PM Response to Reply #4 |
21. The mission is accessible, affordable, quality health care for every American. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 05:21 PM Response to Reply #2 |
14. You may not like FDL but Jon Walker has done outstanding analysis on HCR. eom |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 04:20 PM Response to Original message |
5. Of course we |
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Davis_X_Machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 04:24 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. It's righteous blather, though.. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 04:46 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. I know and it makes me heartsick... |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
9. I can't and won't, this was/is a major step backward securing the |
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obxhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 05:04 PM Response to Original message |
10. If a Republican had signed this exact same law |
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Gravel Democrat (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 05:35 PM Response to Reply #10 |
18. hard to find a more truthful statement in the whole health insurance ripoff scam |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 05:06 PM Response to Original message |
11. I don't and won't. That's why if a state goes single payer, I'm moving there. |
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Vincardog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 05:14 PM Response to Original message |
12. No real liberal backs the shit |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 05:16 PM Response to Original message |
13. No actual liberal could back this crap |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
15. Mebbe cause liberalism ain't what a lot of people think it is. |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 06:24 PM Response to Reply #15 |
31. +1 Liberalism is firmly committed to Capitalism |
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Gravel Democrat (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
16. super big K/R |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 05:32 PM Response to Original message |
17. which liberals? i say private insurance needs to be ILLEGAL |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 06:23 PM Response to Original message |
20. It's the opposite of progress. |
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Still a Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 08:06 PM Response to Original message |
22. Previous state = 0, HCR=2, Single Payer = 10 |
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Hydra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 05:15 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. But if you say the company can charge whatever they want to the pre-existing? |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 05:21 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Under HCR, they can NOT charge people with pre-existing conditions ONE PENNY more than people |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 05:25 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. But they can charge older people - who are more likely to have |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 05:35 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Yes, they can (as oposed to 10-20x the rate or more pre-HCR). But they cannot charge an older person |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 05:41 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. It shouldn't be that way since the point of insurance is shared risk. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 05:45 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. In a more ideal world, that is correct. |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 06:29 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. I could see the next health care reform bill fought specifically to eliminate age-based premiums. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 05:20 PM Response to Original message |
24. Because the alternative to the post-HCR market is the pre-HCR market, not no private market. |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
29. Because the choice isn't between "private insurers" and "public insurers." |
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