I hate this. How much longer? How much longer until . . . .

[Stinky The Clown]

. . . . we get stopped on the street and asked for our papers?

I wish I owned a factory that made black military style clothing with cargo pockets.

Metro anti-terrorism teams to begin random bag inspections to avert attacks

By Ann Scott Tyson and Derek Kravitz
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, December 16, 2010; 9:44 PM

Metro anti-terrorism teams will immediately start random inspections of passengers' bags and packages to try to protect the rail and bus system from attack, transit officials said Thursday.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/16/AR2010121606977.html

I heard two people interviewed by the local noozradio say that this was hunky dory with them so they could be as safe on the Metro as they are on airplanes.

We are fast becoming a nation of candy-assed, compliant, sedated, easily controlled wussies.

[villager]

1. We have *long been* "a nation of candy-assed, compliant, sedated, easily controlled wussies."

n/t

[virgogal]

18. + 1

[littlewolf]

20. which is right were they want us ... +!

[shanti]

24. don't forget dumbed down

they like 'em ignorant.

[RKP5637]

2. I think it's just about here. I'm not out at night much anymore, but I've heard in

this area if you're out at night in the wee hours there's a good chance the cops will pull you over and ask for ID, etc., where you're going ... especially if your car is not new looking.

[WCGreen]

35. I use to deliver the NYT in the middle of the night....

This was back in the late 80's and I was stopped pretty regularly.

Nothing new on that front.

[Motown_Johnny]

3. don't they already do that in AZ?

[panader0]

6. No

I live here, drive here, etc. Just because we have Brewer as Gov, doesn't mean it's the pits here.

[walldude]

40. Are you Hispanic?

The pits are all relative.

[ZombieHorde]

4. This creeps me out. Recommended. nt

[RKP5637]

5. What I hate is some of these guys treat you like you just commited a crime by

the fact you exist. And you're guilty, they're just looking for evidence. When you have to start policing your whole society, there's something wrong with your methodology.

[OrwellwasRight]

7. Americans suck in this regard.

We have lost our self-respect and fighting spirit. Honestly, our first and only reaction to proposed warrantless searches should be "HELL NO -- I've read the constitution and random searches are not covered by it." :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Stinky The Clown]

8. The ACLU is already on this. They say the Supremes have made this sort of thing easier.

They've held some fucked up notion that searches of our citizens for public safety are hunky dory.

The ACLU sees them as unconstitutional because, unlike the airport bullshit, these are open to abuse by their "random" nature.

This shit makes me see red.

Men with combat boots, sidearms, thuggish coats, black gloves shaking down old ladies and little kids.

Whutta country.

[OrwellwasRight]

9. Well the ACLU may need to defend me when I refuse such a search.

Because I will.

[RegieRocker]

10. Americans truly do not know what they do.

[Dokkie]

11. incremental changes is how its done

one day we will all wake up with daily curfews and govt run cameras in our homes and I really mean homes

[obxhead]

12. They'll have to produce a warrant before they touch my bags. nt

[Bobbieo]

13. This shouild put a drop in our immigration rate -good or bad!

[BOG PERSON]

14. fucking fascist dc metro anti-terror police

make me spit my gum out into their hands before i can go through the turnstile. no joke.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

15. Apparently tomorrow it begins in D.C. when police are going to start randomly

stopping people taking the METRO train and checking bags.

[Stinky The Clown]

19. It started already.

Today was day one of our new normal.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

22. A sad time indeed!! n/t

[dkofos]

16. They all want to be good Germans.

[obxhead]

17. Perfect call for a flash mob.

I think a perfect reaction would be a flash mob of 100's or 1000's with suitcases at any Metro station they pull this shit on. Shut down the station until they are forced to cease the nonsense.

[Bonobo]

21. How does "RANDOM" make ANY sense at all anyway? nt

[Stinky The Clown]

25. "Random" is like a safe word in edgy sex play.

It makes it all good when you're pretending.

[Blue_Tires]

23. when did the Metro get anti-terror teams??

holy damn...I left the D.C. area in '04 and don't remember seeing them then....

[Stinky The Clown]

26. "Professional Thug" is a growth line of work.

I also love going to an office building and see the same thugs in blue blazers and gray slacks manning xray machines in lobbies and going through everyone's briefcases and purses and wishing you a nice day.

[madinmaryland]

27. Yeap. Part of the HLSIC. Soon to gobble up the MIC.

:mad:

[TheKentuckian]

28. The sheep that cheer for the slaughter

[Kablooie]

29. And you'll be in big trouble when you hand over your papers that say Stinky the Clown.

[sabrina 1]

30. And soon they will be installing Chertoff's naked body scanners.

That is why it was so important to stop them from installing in the airports. But so many wimps and scaredy cats decided THAT was okay, because we all want to be 'safe'.

It's all about money. And control. And if people don't stand up now, that picture is what America will look like everywhere.

What a scam it all this, this 'terror' garbage. We are in more danger of being mugged or murdered by other Americans, or dying on the road, or any number of other threats, than we are of ever being the victim of a terror attack.

In fact, terrorists have won. They have done what they wanted to do, scared the entire 'home of the brave' into total submission. The only thing they did wrong, was to make it profitable for the very people they were angry with in the first place.

When can we expect the body scanners in malls? I'm guessing by next Christmas.

[truedelphi]

31. That post of yours sums it all up quite concisely.

The people should have refused to let this happen at the airports.

And the one guy who did make a stink about it, and then was handed an eleven thousand dollar fine, he was dissed by many folks for having planned to do it.

As though he was doing it for attention. But it does take planning - you certainly are not going to fight with TSA if you are on your way to see a relative's wedding, or for a scheduled operation.

[reggie the dog]

32. i guess we better keep our weed in our pockets

if they had a warrant and were searching for weapons and they found drugs normally they could steal the drugs but not charge you because the warrant specified a search for weapons, they have no warrant in this case, what would they do for a quarter pound of grass? what would they do for 10 grams? they have these searches in france, you never know where the cops will have a checkpoint set up.

[Xicano]

34. Actually that's not correct.

If while conducting a search under a search warrant officers see other illegal contraband, they can arrest you for it. What they can't do is actively search in places and for things not covered in the warrant. However, again, if while conducting the search warrant as specified and they notice something else illegal, they can and will arrest you for that.

For example: Say the police come to your house with a search warrant to search your garage for a stolen vehicle. They cannot go into your bedroom going through your stuff looking for weed. If they did and found weed it wouldn't be a legal search. However, if they go into your garage as the warrant specifies and see a dozen television boxes stacked up in your garage. They can look (not move them around) to see if they can identify serial numbers and if they see serial numbers and those numbers come back as being reported stolen. You're busted.

So if a warrant allows them to go through your pockets looking for a weapon and they discover a bag of weed in your pocket, you're busted.

[reggie the dog]

37. In illinois in the 90's i had a friend get off a charge

because the warrant specified a search for heroin and they only found cannabis and bongs, the charges were all dropped because no heroin, unless his lawyer didnt tell him the real reason

[Xicano]

39. I would imagine all states play by very similar rules regarding the 4th amendment

One of my brothers is a Los Angeles Deputy Sheriff and what I posted above is how he explained it to me. Basically they (cops) have to stick to the what the warrant specifies, but, if they notice something illegal in the process and they didn't have to deviate from the specifics of the warrant to notice it, its fair game and they can arrest you on it.

Its no different than if they witnessed someone through a window possessing something illegal, at that point they don't need a warrant; they witnessed a crime taking place. Similarly, if while lawfully conducting a search warrant they witness a crime, like finding contraband while staying within the limits of a warrant, they can act to arrest the person responsible.

Even if there were some gray area here, 99.9% of the time they would still arrest you and leave it up to the courts to decide.

One thing for sure, I'm not trying to defend them. Gawd knows I can't stand the police even though one of my brothers is one. I love him, he's my brother and nothing will change that, but, I can't stand the police nonetheless. But what I am saying is; this is what they teach in their police academies regarding searches.

Anyway, take it easy reggie the dog


Peace,
Xicano

[Golden Raisin]

33. We've had random searches

of "backpacks and other large containers", etc. in the NYC subway system for years. It's beyond creepy and has very disturbing Naziesque or Fascist overtones.

[Warren DeMontague]

36. Basically, another excuse to conduct random searches for drugs.

Drug Warrior's wet dream.

[blindpig]

38. And that an excuse for every sort of intrusion and harassment.

it's all political.

[earth mom]

41. I shudder to think what the U.S. will be like in 20 years if this crap continues.

:yoiks: