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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 02:07 PM
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Libyan Revolution Tweets, Day 13 (or 14*), Part 2
Libyan Revolution Tweets, Day 13 (or 14*), Part 2

Today's threads: Part 1

#Feb17 Youth organizers invite Gaddafi's collaborators to stand under his umbrella ella ella ella ella ella http://bit.ly/faa34E

"We have Plan A, Plan B, Plan C. Plan A is to live and die in Libya. Plan B is to live and die in Libya. Plan C is to live and die in Libya."
- Saif Islam Qaddafi
during interview

*I called this Day 13 because the official start date was #Feb17 but the kickoff was 2 days early so in reality today is day 14.

Previous Day 12 threads: Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, Part 4, Part 5, Part 6, Part 7

The world’s 100 largest arms dealers, excluding Chinese vendors, sold weapons for $401 billion in 2009, with US vendors in first place

Threads for Days 1-12 are in my journal

"I was born in Tunisia, I persevered in Egypt, I sacrificed myself in Libya, I have fought in Yemen&Bahrain. I am Freedom, I will not die."
- Libyan4life Jeel Ghathub

LibyanThinker The Libyan Thinker
Remains of Soldiers Burned to Death for Not Shooting Protesters in #Libya http://www.twitvid.com/YXKOT & http://tinyurl.com/4d6a57n

MAP of Protests across the Middle East



Google Earth DL here to see positions of army and patrolling route of mercenaries

Please rec if you read these so I know if the effort here is worth it.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 02:08 PM
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1. K & Proxy R
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 02:09 PM
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2. k&r nt
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 02:13 PM
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3. another report from The Guardian, also describing the battle for Azawiya
Edited on Tue Mar-01-11 02:14 PM by Catherina
iyad_elbaghdadi Iyad El-Baghdadi
Here's another report from The Guardian, also describing the battle for Azawiya: http://j.mp/hY1f4M #Libya
58 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply


Libyan pro-Gaddafi forces 'fail' to retake Zawiyah
Opposition forces armed with tanks and anti-aircraft guns 'beat back' troops loyal to Gaddafi in six-hour battle


Peter Beaumont in Tripoli
guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 1 March 2011 15.32 GMT


Soldiers from the Libyan military's elite Khamis Brigade take up positions east of Zawiyah. Photograph: Ben Curtis/AP

...

Ranged against them is a formidable force from the Khamis Brigade, led by one of Gaddafi's sons, which on Monday afternoon had moved around a dozen modern tanks close to Zawiyah as well as six BM-21 truck-mounted "Grad" rocket launchers within range of the town. US diplomats have said the brigade is the best-equipped force in Libya.

...

"We were able to repulse the attack. We damaged a tank with an RPG. The mercenaries fled after that," said a resident, who spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of government reprisals.

He said Gaddafi had called Zawiyah's influential tribal leader Mohammed al-Maktouf and warned him that if the rebels did not leave the town's main square by early Tuesday, they would be hit by warplanes. "We are expecting a major battle," the resident said, adding that the rebels had killed eight soldiers and mercenaries on Monday.

...

In Misrata, pro-Gaddafi troops who control part of an air base on the town's outskirts tried to advance on Monday. They were repulsed by opposition forces, who included residents with automatic weapons and army units that had defected, according to one of the opposition fighters.

...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/01/pro-gaddafi-forces-zawiyah
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 02:17 PM
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4. Libya Hurra -- !!
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UndertheOcean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 02:22 PM
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5. knr n/t
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 02:23 PM
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6. introducing the martyr and hero who breached the walls of Fadeel camp and liberated Benghazi
iyad_elbaghdadi Iyad El-Baghdadi
Finally, introducing the martyr and hero who breached the walls of Fadeel camp and liberated Benghazi: http://j.mp/hEvSss #Libya
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In Libya, an unlikely hero of a youth-led revolution
Posted on March 1, 2011 by S050



BENGHAZI, LIBYA – Mehdi Mohammed Zeyo was the most unlikely of revolutionary heroes. The bespectacled 49-year-old worked in the supplies department of the state-owned oil company. He was a diabetic with two teenage daughters.

But something snapped inside him as a youth-led uprising in Libya against the government of Moammar Gaddafi quickly turned bloody.

For days Zeyo had carried the bodies of teenage boys from outside a security base in the center of the city where Gaddafi’s militiamen fired on young protesters. Every day he went with hundreds of others to the cemeteries to bury the boys. His outrage grew, until Zeyo quietly made a decision, according to his family, friends and witnesses to his fiery death.On the morning of Feb. 20, he walked down the stairs of his apartment building with a gas canister hoisted on his shoulder, witnesses said. He put two canisters inside his trunk of his car, along with a tin can full of gunpowder. Driving toward the base, he flashed the victory sign to the young men protesting outside and hit the gas pedal.

Gaddafi’s security forces sprayed his black car with bullets, setting off a powerful explosion, witnesses said. The blast tore a hole in the base’s front gate, allowing scores of young protesters and soldiers who had defected to stream inside. That night, the opposition won the battle for the base, and for Benghazi, as Gaddafi’s forces retreated.

...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/28/AR2011022805298.html?hpid=topnews&sid=ST2011022805422
http://feb17.info/latest-news/in-libya-an-unlikely-hero-of-a-youth-led-revolution/
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 02:23 PM
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7. Al-Mahdi Zeyo, may God bless your soul. Blew himself and car up to liberate Benghazi.
iyad_elbaghdadi Iyad El-Baghdadi
Al-Mahdi Zeyo, may God bless your soul. Blew himself and car up to liberate Benghazi. http://j.mp/hEvSss #Libya
1 hour ago Favorite Retweet Reply


Same link as above
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 02:31 PM
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14. WP, what a beautiful piece
:cry:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 03:03 PM
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37. Mehdi Mohammed Zeyo -- Libyan Martyr -- LIBYA HURRA -- !!!
Amazing story --

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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 02:24 PM
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8.  Saif #Gaddafi wants to avoid a no-fly zone in any way possible. Putting diplomatic pressure.
iyad_elbaghdadi Iyad El-Baghdadi
@
Thanks @libyanewstoday, seems Saif #Gaddafi wants to avoid a no-fly zone in any way possible. Putting diplomatic pressure.
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 02:33 PM
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15. there should be diplomatic pressure
that cockroach is just like his father



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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 02:25 PM
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9. pilots who defected attack G? No, think G is keeping their families hostage
ColBower Colin Bower
@
@iyad_elbaghdadi Why can't pilots who defected use their planes and attack Gaddafi's home in Tripoli?
1 hour ago


iyad_elbaghdadi Iyad El-Baghdadi
@
@ColBower I have suspicion Gaddafi's keeping their entire families hostage.
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 02:26 PM
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10. K&R
:kick:
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 02:28 PM
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11.  here's a Grad rocket launcher in action, cursed be who would use it against unarmed civilians.
Edited on Tue Mar-01-11 02:28 PM by Catherina
iyad_elbaghdadi Iyad El-Baghdadi
@
Thanks @properFreedom, here's a Grad rocket launcher in action: http://j.mp/dGAxRy ; cursed be who would use it against unarmed civilians.
51 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

cursed be who would use it against humans period.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-lGwyySrwY
BM-21 Grad rocket launcher
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 02:36 PM
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17. I'm speechless....
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Lars77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 02:52 PM
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29. Looks like the old "Stalin Organ" of World War 2 nt
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 02:56 PM
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32. Basically the same concept as the Katyusha.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 03:07 PM
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38. Weapons manufacturing is a threat to us all -- certainly not just to the countries we think ....
we're protecting ourselves against -- which is BS anyway!!

People devote their lives to producing weapons like this and go home

every night and are with their families -- hug their kids -- they're insane!

300 years of men studying physics and we got an atomic bomb!!!


Let's end this right wing paranoia -- !!

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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 02:29 PM
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12. All communications in Libya are managed directly by Gaddafi & his sons,>>
iyad_elbaghdadi Iyad El-Baghdadi
@
@Twundit All communications in Libya are managed directly by Gaddafi & his sons, some say from his own residence-complex.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 02:30 PM
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13. Gaddafi's generals have secured/surrounded Sabha, using it as launching pt for Niger mercenaries
iyad_elbaghdadi Iyad El-Baghdadi
@
@dymantara Gaddafi's generals have secured/surrounded Sabha and are using it as a launching point for mercenaries from Niger.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 02:35 PM
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16. Message from Tripoli
feb17libya Feb17Libya
#feb17 Message from Tripoli http://f.ast.ly/bRWUg #@shabablibya
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In the Name of God the Beneficent the Merciful


O ye who believe! Persevere in patience and constancy: vie in such perseverance; and strengthen each other; and be conscious of God; that ye may prosper.

In this historic period through which our beloved country passes and under these difficult circumstances in which Gaddafi’s tyrannical regime sheds the blood of the innocent, who have demanded through peaceful and civilized means the most basic of rights, a dignified life, but have been met with hired mercenaries and live ammunition, we declare the following:
    1. We pray for the souls of our honorable martyrs, who have fallen in every corner
    of our beloved nation. We extend our deepest condolences to their families and
    loved ones, and we vow to continue the struggle until we achieve a clear victory,
    bringing down the regime and liberating the entirety of our homeland from the
    tyranny and oppression that it has suffered over forty-one dark years.

    2. We support the efforts made by our brethren in the east of the country, as they
    seek to form an interim national council that represents the magnificent uprising
    of February 17th. We reiterate our support for their representation of this uprising
    in all parts of the country until our national territory is liberated in its entirety.

    3. We completely reject any form of negotiation with this criminal regime, which
    has made permissible the taking of Libyan souls and has not hesitated to hire
    mercenaries to murder our proud people.

    4. We call for peaceful demonstrations in all of our nation’s mosques following the
    upcoming Friday prayers, so that it will become, God-willing, a day of resolve.
    We ask our brethren in Tripoli to maintain their protests in the squares of the
    mosques without proceeding to Martyrs’ Square (Green Square)—which is
    occupied by the regime’s cronies—in order to increase the hotbeds of protest and
    disperse the forces of the enemy.
Long Live Libya,
The Youth of the February 17th Uprising
Tripoli
2/27/2011

http://feb17.info/media/message-from-tripoli/

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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 02:40 PM
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19. Video obtained by The Times of London shows mass grave in Libyan desert
don't have the video...
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 03:10 PM
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40. "Long Live Libya" --
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 02:39 PM
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18. Fantastic gallery of images from Tripoli
fieldproducer Neal Mann
Fantastic gallery of images from Tripoli #Libya & an interview with the photographer who took them http://me.lt/4C4zF
13 hours ago


February 28, 2011, 4:44 PM
At an Eerie Crossroads in Tripoli
By MOISES SAMAN and JAMES ESTRIN

...

There are two or three dozen foreign journalists staying in the same hotel, and we were in a convoy of minibuses. They took us to the edge of town. We walked into the checkpoint manned by the armed opposition and were met by the rebels. At first, we didn’t understand who they were. I didn’t know if they were pro-Qaddafi militias. The rebels welcomed us. They escorted us to a fairly sizable crowd of opposition supporters. When they saw these foreign journalists walk in, they were surprised, too. I still don’t understand exactly what happened.

...



Q.
Do you have sense of mood in Tripoli?

A.
There’s a weird sense of normalcy in the city. But once you start getting out to the neighborhoods where there were clashes, you see broken windows, debris on the street and bullet holes. Once you start getting a little further out of Tripoli, you see different rings of security.

It’s hard to know what’s happening behind the scenes. There is this strange sense of a stalemate. The city doesn’t feel under siege just yet. The government is clearly in control here. The towns outside of Tripoli are a different story. After the events of the last couple of weeks, there’s probably no going back.

There’s an eerie sense that something’s coming. But we really don’t know what.



http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/28/at-an-eerie-crossroads-in-tripoli/


Huge gallery at link
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 02:40 PM
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20. Benghazi rebels say they'd welcome turkish mil force vs Ghaddafi's jets. Strong no to US role though
martinchulov Martin Chulov
Benghazi rebels say they'd welcome turkish mil force to save them from Ghaddafi's jets. Strong no to US role though. #libya.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 02:43 PM
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21. Ok think is time for a no-fly zone; without it, #Gaddafi will have an endless number of mercenaries.
Tripolitanian Libyan
I'm convinced its time for a no-fly zone; without it, #Gaddafi will have an endless number of mercenaries. #Libya
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 02:44 PM
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24. If a No-Fly Zone can be enforced by Wed, would make Friday's mass protests very effective.

Tripolitanian Libyan
If a No-Fly Zone can be enforced by Wednesday, that would make Friday's mass protests very effective. #Libya
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 03:12 PM
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42. K/R
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 02:43 PM
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22. #Egypt military calling on friday imams to push for end to protests
Firas_Atraqchi Firas Al-Atraqchi
According to Masryalyoum #Egypt military calling on friday imams to push for end to protests #jan25 #cairo
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 02:44 PM
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23. ON CABLE NEWS NOW: Pentagon briefing on unrest in the ME
Gates and Mullen speaking on Libya and other uprisings.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 02:48 PM
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25. NO cable news down here. Can u post highlights plz?
Edited on Tue Mar-01-11 02:49 PM by Catherina
I watch almost nothing but AJE while working. Have CNN and Fox in other room but not here.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 02:57 PM
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33. Emphasized difficulty of setting up a no-fly zone
Mullen talked about how rapidly things were changing, even during his trip to the ME.

He said that a no-fly zone is "an extraordinarily complex operation to set up."

He also said aircraft would be subject to attack from air defenses on the ground.

Nothing new--everything is still on the table.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 03:09 PM
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39. Thanks so much n/t
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 03:14 PM
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44. UN pilots could knock out these rocket launchers Gaddafi is setting up -- !!!
Where is UN by the way?

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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 03:26 PM
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52. The Security Council would have to adopt it
China and Russia are opposed, but it's possible they could be persuaded to abstain.

I don't think there are any U.N. fighter/bomber pilots--they rely on military assets of member states. If the Sec. Council were to adopt a resolution declaring a no-fly zone, the EU and/or NATO could be tasked with enforcement.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 04:38 PM
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58. Been noticing that Russia opposes the "no fly" zone --
vs other UN action --

Think just the threat of having a bombing of Gaddafi's palace or his outposts

would be enough to budge him to one of his tunnels or whatever it is that he

thinks he's going to do. What the hell does he think he's going to do, btw?

ICC will pursue him wherever he goes --

And if he commits even more atrocities, many nations/leaders will be more likely

to shun him.

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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 04:47 PM
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59. The U.N. isn't contemplating bombing Gaddafi
Enforcing a no-fly zone, should one be declared, wouldn't include airstrikes against him or his ground forces (except to the extent necessary to protect aircraft from his air defenses).

A bombing campaign and enforcing a no-fly zone are two different things.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 04:53 PM
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60. Understand they are two different things --
Edited on Tue Mar-01-11 04:57 PM by defendandprotect
but think it's clear that we need some way to keep Gaddafi from doing

any further harm to protesters. Did you see the video of the rocket launcher?

OMG -- and who knows what else he has?


Summing up -- don't know if they have even totally approved of the idea of

a "no fly" zone -- because of the complications --

and the "bombing" by anyone of Gaddafi in his palace and/or his rocket launchers

is simple wishful thinking on my part!!

:)
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 05:13 PM
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63. I've been guilty of the same wishful thinking
Hoping one of his defecting pilots, instead of ditching, would head for G's compound and give him the best "Take this job and shove it" message ever... :evilgrin:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 05:21 PM
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65. In one of the tweets, they comment that they think ....
that Gaddafi is holding the families of those pilots hostage --

to prevent something like that from happening, presumably!!


Imagine being someone like Gaddafi and waking up every morning worry about

all the people you've killed, their families coming for you -- on and on!!

Whether anyone you buried alive last week has been heard hollering for help!!



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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 02:50 PM
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26. Video Aerial Attack on Arms Depot in Ajdabiya
Aerial Attack on Arms Depot in Ajdabiya
Posted on March 1, 2011 by v1d

Al Jazeera English


'Attack' on arms depot in Libya's Ajdabiya
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl9P_P-dMN0

Opposition fighters in the town of Ajdabiya says government forces have bombed armed depots taken over by the opposition.

Battles are also raging in other cities taken over by those trying to bring the Libyan leader down.

meanwhile, the Libyan leader remains defiant, scoffing at suggestions the uprising is threatening his rule.

Al Jazeera's Dan Nolan reports on the latest developments.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 03:02 PM
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36. CNN's Ben Wedeman was nearby
He saw the aircraft fly over (contradicting Gaddafi's denials), then heard explosions from the direction the aircraft had flown. Wedeman headed toward the explosions, arrived to see bomb damage and hear eyewitness testimony that 4-5 bombs were dropped.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 02:51 PM
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27. Gaddafi's commander, Al Mahdi Al Arabi, threatens to bombard the protestors in Zawiyah.

LibyaNewMedia LibyaNewMedia
One of Gaddafi's commanders, Al Mahdi Al Arabi, threatens to bombard the protestors in Zawiyah. #Libya #Tripoli #Zwiyah #Gaddafi
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 03:15 PM
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46. K/R -- Commander -- also wanted by ICC -- why be even more brutal with people?
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 02:52 PM
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28. UK government considering basing Typhoon jets at RAF Akrotiri in Cyprus to enforce a no-fly zone
fieldproducer Neal Mann
Sky Sources: UK government considering basing Typhoon jets at RAF Akrotiri in Cyprus to enforce a no-fly zone over #Libya
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 02:55 PM
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30. video: Uncovering Cruelty Of Former
feb17libya Feb17Libya
#Feb17 #Libya Libya: Uncovering Cruelty Of Former Regime http://f.ast.ly/bdepQ
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Libya: Uncovering Cruelty of Former Regime
Posted on March 1, 2011 by v1d

Sky News

The uprising against Gaddafi began in the East of the country, which has been in the control of anti-government forces for almost a week. Sky’s Dominic Waghorn is in Benghazi and as he reports on how people are still uncovering evidence of the cruelty of the former regime.

Libya: Uncovering Cruelty Of Former Regime
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3OrjniSWFw

The uprising against Gaddafi began in the East of the country, which has been in the control of anti-government forces for almost a week.

Sky's Dominic Waghorn is in Benghazi and as he reports on how people are still uncovering evidence of the cruelty of the former regime.



what horror.
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necso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 02:56 PM
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31. There are any number
of powerful people who won't openly say it (and who won't like that I say it), but that don't want G to fall. Because if G can fall, then the message is very clear. However, if by some chance G should manage to triumph (or even stalemate the situation indefinitely), then this is a tremendous blow to peoples' aspirations.

The regime stills seems to have considerable flexibility of movement and significant resources, and this has military implications that bear consideration, especially relative to those who do not. Now, I know there are great suspicions (I have the same -- of the real powers-that-be, the plutocrats; they're simply inhuman vultures), but using very narrow and selective support, like that would limit the regime's flexibility (eg, an nfz), should be given consideration before it's absolutely necessary (there would be some delay in getting help everywhere it's needed).
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 03:00 PM
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34. Sounds like the opposition would welcome a no-fly-zone; but no western boots on the ground.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 03:18 PM
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48. Agree that superpowers and other dictators don't want to see PEOPLE PREVAIL....
especially all cross Arab nations -- !!

Where's the United Nations? Perhaps they could at the least knock out these

rocket launders that Gaddafi is setting up?

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necso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 03:53 PM
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57. Let me go a little further:
Your suspicions (while justified, but this only renders them more potent) are being cleverly played-upon. (The would-be masters-of-all use pretty much the same means wherever they strike -- and whatever they seek. I am familiar with this through struggling here for true freedom and democracy.)

Moreover, God forbid, should the trend of battle turn against you, the help that might(!) be available to you when you look like a sure thing may well evaporate; and then some of those who switched may switch back (sad to say, but possible), etc. ... We all know where this leads.

The bandits that you're facing know these things; they know the practical considerations of military and political affairs; and they know the techniques of manipulation and control, of using fear and terror.

After all, they have been very successful bandits for a very long time.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 05:04 PM
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61. In the end, what are you recommending -- if anything?
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necso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 05:11 PM
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62. Pressure; clear thinking; informed choice. /nt
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 05:18 PM
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64. Aren't we all -- !!
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 03:01 PM
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35. USS Enterprise on its way to #Libya
SultanAlQassemi Sultan Al Qassemi
Daily Mail: USS Enterprise on its way to #Libya http://bit.ly/fB2HUP #BeamMeUp
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Hillary Clinton warns of 'drawn-out civil war' in Libya as U.S. sends in its warships
By DAILY MAIL REPORTER
Last updated at 6:02 PM on 1st March 2011
Comments (75)

- Pentagon says ships preparing for no-fly zone or humanitarian aid missions
- British Prime Minister vows military action if killings continue
- U.S. freezes $30billion worth of Gaddafi family assets
- Refugee crisis as 140,000 flee to Tunisia and Egypt borders
- Defiant Gaddafi: 'My people still love me, they would die to protect me'
- Rebels celebrate after fending off attack on closest city to Tripoli, Zawiya

Hillary Clinton today warned that Libya faces a drawn-out civil war as the U.S. stepped up pressure on 'delusional' Moammar Gaddafi to quit.

America has deployed hard-hitting naval and air force units around the North African country and Britain has begun drawing up plans for a no-fly zone in a concerted effort to hasten the tyrant's downfall.

The aircraft carrier USS Enterprise, which had been had been on pirate-hunting duty off the coast of Somalia, is now steaming to the mouth of the Suez Canal in the Red Sea.

The deadly strike force aboard the nuclear-powered carrier is already within flying distance of Libya but the Enterprise is said to be heading closer to the country and its rogue dictator.



Desperate: Refugees fleeing the unrest queue up at the Libya-Tunisia border. The UN has warned that the situation 'is reaching crisis point'. Some 15,000 people are expected to cross the border today alone


Closing in: The nuclear-powered USS Enterprise, bristling with warplanes, has left pirate-hunting duty off Somalia and is now heading towards Libya

...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1361600/Libya-USS-Enterprise-way-US-UK-threaten-Gaddafi-fly-zone.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 03:11 PM
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41. Benghazi so joyous over freedom & not aware of how dire situation in West. Misrata, Zawiyah trapped.
LibyaNewMedia LibyaNewMedia
I have a feeling that Benghazi so joyous over their freedom they aren't aware of how dire situation in West is. Misrata, Zawiyah trapped.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 03:13 PM
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43. transitional government of Libya wants airspace on Nilesat, how can they contact them
ArabRevolution تباً لكم ياطواغيت
There you go http://bit.ly/ffYVc8 RT @ayman_shweky The transitional government of Libya wants airspace on Nilesat, how can they contact them
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http://www.nilesat.com.eg/serbooking.htm

...

How To contact our BOOKING CENTER:

Tel. no. : +202-8400121, Ext.:263

+202-8400118

Fax : +202-5749220
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 03:14 PM
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45. Spreadsheet of martyrs grows -
LibyaFeb17_com Libyan Youth
Spreadsheet of martyrs grows - #feb17 #libya - http://www.libyafeb17.com/?p=3115
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Spreadsheet of martyrs grows
Posted on March 1, 2011 by admin

Last week we linked to an attempt to name all the martyrs who have been killed in Libya so far. While only 38 names had been added when we first posted it, now there are 178 who have been named and it is still being updated.

See it here.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 03:16 PM
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47. Tunisian-Libyan borders closed because of huge # of refugees. UNHCR calls situation "Precarious"
SultanAlQassemi Sultan Al Qassemi
Latest: Al Jazeera: The Tunisian-Libyan borders have been closed because of the huge number of refugees. UNHCR calls situation "Precarious"
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 03:20 PM
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49. Where is United Nations -- This is day #15 -- they must have had some expectations?
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 03:21 PM
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50. Curse #Gaddafi and those like him

AliveIn Stories from MENA
#Libya Curse #Gaddafi and those like him. | @Speak2tweet http://bit.ly/e5d4yu (Feb 21) #feb17
9 hours ago

Curse #Gaddafi and those like him. | @Speak2tweet

on FEBRUARY 21, 2011

http://bit.ly/fVI3gF. 2/21/2011 13:17:00

AUDIO in Arabic

(Mock encyclopedia) Gaddafi: a creature whose heart is dead, who does not have even an atom of humanity in him. He must be forced off his chair. This creature is similar to a monkey, he is characterized by stupidity, but monkeys would be insulted by being compared to this creature. This imbecile, who once said that a woman should have the right to run in parliamentary elections whether she was male or female.

So the woman would be male? But I call on all Arab people, to take a united stance against this tyrant, who is obliterating his people. I urge all Arab and Muslim rulers to speak as one, and eliminate this creature and his dead heart. Force him off his filthy chair, exile him, kill him, try him. He said, if a man sets fire to himself, we will imprison him for five years. He’s a madman. A madman. Burn him, boil him, do what you want, just kill him. He’s a criminal, a tyrant. Curse him and those like him.

Translated by: @tasnimq, and boxingpandora

http://alive.in/libya/2011/02/21/curse-gaddafi-and-those-like-him-speak2tweet/?utm_campaign=libyatweet&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 03:29 PM
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53. I don't know if i care for that
being an animal lover, the correlation between a monkey and a monster.
as for parliament, woman do a good job in power, so long as they don't aspire to the neocons ideals and are not right wing.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 03:23 PM
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51. tripoli this morning,... no gunfire or protesters
AliTweel Ali Tweel
tripoli this morning, the shops opened yesterday are closed today, still feel like the weekend or a public holiday. no gunfire or protesters
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 03:30 PM
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54. Oh then everything must be OK then, the people love him
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 03:48 PM
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55. Part 3 here
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 03:48 PM
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56. ***NEW THREAD ~ Part 3 HERE:
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