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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 05:44 PM
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Libyan Revolution Tweets, Day 13 (or 14*), Part 4
Libyan Revolution Tweets, Day 13 (or 14*), Part 4

Today's threads: Part 1, Part 2, Part 3

#Feb17 Youth organizers invite Gaddafi's collaborators to stand under his umbrella ella ella ella ella ella http://bit.ly/faa34E

"We have Plan A, Plan B, Plan C. Plan A is to live and die in Libya. Plan B is to live and die in Libya. Plan C is to live and die in Libya."
- Saif Islam Qaddafi
during interview

*I called this Day 13 because the official start date was #Feb17 but the kickoff was 2 days early so in reality today is day 14.

Previous Day 12 threads: Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, Part 4, Part 5, Part 6, Part 7

The world’s 100 largest arms dealers, excluding Chinese vendors, sold weapons for $401 billion in 2009, with US vendors in first place

Threads for Days 1-12 are in my journal

"I was born in Tunisia, I persevered in Egypt, I sacrificed myself in Libya, I have fought in Yemen&Bahrain. I am Freedom, I will not die."
- Libyan4life Jeel Ghathub

LibyanThinker The Libyan Thinker
Remains of Soldiers Burned to Death for Not Shooting Protesters in #Libya http://www.twitvid.com/YXKOT & http://tinyurl.com/4d6a57n

MAP of Protests across the Middle East



Google Earth DL here to see positions of army and patrolling route of mercenaries

Please rec if you read these so I know if the effort here is worth it.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 05:45 PM
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1. Don't miss n2doc's toon thread on Libya:
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 05:56 PM
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3. Thanks! Just went and rec'd n/t
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 05:54 PM
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2. Key (rich) men still advising #Gaddafi >>
MilitantNews Stephen Morgan
#Libya POST 1 Key (rich) men still advising #Gaddafi BASHIR SALEH ex-chairman of Libyan African Investment Portfolio http://bit.ly/gKGvty
2 hours ago

BASHIR SALEH

Gaddafi's long-serving chief of staff, Saleh has a reputation as one of the Libyan leader's most powerful advisers. He rarely speaks in public. Like many of Libya's most senior officials, he has been given control of part of the country's oil wealth. For several years he was chairman of the Libyan African Investment Portfolio, an arm of the country's sovereign wealth fund. After Gaddafi's influential head of protocol Nuri al-Mismari fell out of favour and fled to Paris in December last year, Saleh took over that role as well, sources close to the government said. Since Libya descended into violence, he has kept a low profile, but there have been no indications he is not still in his job.


MilitantNews Stephen Morgan
POST 2 Inner circle Key (rich) men still advising #Gaddafi SHOKRI GHANEM head of Libya's NOC state energy firm - http://bit.ly/gKGvty
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As head of Libya's NOC state energy firm and its delegate to the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries, Ghanem is the country's most important energy official. He is widely respected by people in the industry and has the confidence of executives with international energy companies who do business in Libya. Prime minister until he was removed in 2006, Ghanem speaks fluent English and is at ease talking to the media. He is associated with a reform-minded camp around Gaddafi's son Saif al-Islam, and that has put him into conflict with a conservative old guard. Ghanem briefly stepped down from his job in 2009 and then returned a few weeks later. A U.S. embassy cable published by WikiLeaks quoted Ghanem as saying he took the time off to "catch up on movies, read books, and rest". But analysts interpreted the episode as part of the power struggle between the rival camps. According to officials in his office, he has been working daily since the crisis began in Libya. "I am in my office; we are running the business; we are trying to do our utmost to keep the oil installations safe," he said in an interview with Reuters this week.


MilitantNews Stephen Morgan
POST 3 Key (rich) men still advising #Gaddafi MOHAMMED LAYAS CEO of Libyan Investment Authority controls $65 billion. http://bit.ly/gKGvty
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MOHAMMED LAYAS

As chief executive of the Libyan Investment Authority (LIA), the main sovereign wealth fund, Layas controls about $65 billion. The authority worked to enhance Libya's credibility on the international stage by acquiring stakes in European bluechip firms, including Italian bank Unicredit and British publisher Pearson, owner of the Financial Times newspaper. A U.S. embassy cable published by WikiLeaks quotes Layas as saying his fund was approached by fraudster Bernard Madoff about an investment opportunity "but we did not accept." The cable went on to say that Layas had "strong ties to powerful protectors within the Libyan regime". (Writing by Christian Lowe; editing by Andrew Roche



Al-BAGHDADI ALI AL-MAHMOUDI

Libya's prime minister, al-Mahmoudi is a leading figure in the conservative camp which opposed Saif al-Islam Gaddafi's attempts at reform. He has been in the job since replacing Ghanem in 2006. Questions were asked about what stance he was taking in the crisis when his long-standing spokesman Mohamed Bayou, who had resigned a month earlier, publicly criticised the Libyan leadership and called for dialogue with the opposition. It was not clear though if Bayou was backed by his former boss. The prime minister has been hard at work in the past few days, officials in his office say, pushing through measures to increase food subsidies, wages and allowances for millions of Libyans
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 06:02 PM
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5. K&R
:kick:
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 06:14 PM
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7. R u watching AJE? They just aired Venezuela speaking @ the UN
brought tears to my eyes. Vrey informative for where they're coming from.
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 06:26 PM
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14. I missed it, was just watching the interview with Seith you had posted
Edited on Tue Mar-01-11 06:30 PM by sasha031
ugh..

what happened?

you mentioned you don't have cable, nor do I

an excellent stream here, even UNTV
http://www.livestation.com/channels/52-press-tv-english
also US stream cable, also get watch movies, link on top
http://www.justin.tv/directory/news
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 06:57 PM
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17. Thank you! I just added those to my favorites. Those are great.
I only caught the end of it but he was talking, with sadness in his voice, about how disastrous military intervention would be and that the Libyan people had clearly asked the West not to intervene. If you watch AJE (I'm glued to it when I'm at the computer) I'm sure they'll replay it.
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 07:05 PM
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21. thank you, maybe that will quiet the anti Chavez crowd
but I doubt it.
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 07:09 PM
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24. AlJazeera is remarkable, they even cover favorably what is happening in the US
our news here is crap, it's a joke, we have a few good people at MSNBC.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 07:31 PM
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27. I discovered, while doing the Egypt threads that the journos on the ground
have a lot of integrity. Unfortunately, the same can't be said of their corporate HQs and what they do with the raw information they get.

A prime and sad example was Wolf Blitzer on CNN showing a video of mercenaries in the streets last week and calling those mercenaries Libya's Army. I can't watch CNN anymore and we don't get MSNBC, which I liked even less, down here. I think I'm mostly sticking to AJE and French news from now on for TV news.
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 07:49 PM
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30. CNN is awful,
Edited on Tue Mar-01-11 07:57 PM by sasha031
I laughed last night when Anderson Cooper was groveling over the neo cons he had on last night.
The classic is when he showed the notorious Seith video doing a complete different interpretation of what was really said.
Is it just laziness on their part, who knows.







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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 08:18 PM
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44. Do you have a link for that? Anderson has been pretty good on this
well the few I saw so I'm no authority. I know the Libyans have been very grateful. That's disappointing to hear. do you have a link? There aren't many tweets coming now. It's 3:17AM in Libya and I like to lay down and watch that before Dima comes on AJE.
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 08:27 PM
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47. yes right here
http://www.justin.tv/radiomando1#/w/920904400/2

maybe I'm being over critical, I just get so angry seeing the same neo cons form Iraq talking about the way the world works.
he is on at 10 and 11 pm EST.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 08:49 PM
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55. When does he come on
So far I've sat through a roundtable of dweebs and now Elliot Spitzer is interviewing someone. There's no advance button! Spitzer sure is harping on the civil war aspect.
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 08:51 PM
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56. 10 pm EST and repeat at 11pm EST
Edited on Tue Mar-01-11 08:57 PM by sasha031
I'm assuming your not in the US Catherina, I'm watching CNN now too.
Don't you love the commercial of how wonderful the oil companies are?
Do you know with their billions in profits plus billions in subsidies, they pay absolutely no taxes.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 09:14 PM
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62. Not anymore. I had to quit the link you gave me. Piers Morgan started
talking about Charlie Sheen and that was the last straw.Oil companies, weapons manufacturers, major corporations, I love it so much I kissed it all goodbye and moved somewhere I can walk everywhere I need to go. Gotta huge vegetable garden, chickens, hang my clothes out to dry. Life couldn't be better. I hate that industry.
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 09:29 PM
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64. its now 9:26 EST it will be on at 10:00 EST
Piers Morgan and Charlie Sheen :crazy:

wonderful Catherina, you are living a very good life. I am delighted for you.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 10:02 PM
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69. We get BBC here, that's as far as I go -- more Libya coverage --
Edited on Tue Mar-01-11 10:21 PM by defendandprotect
but odd comments at times tho much better than others.

Don't think BBC now is what it was when its reputation was made --

Even BBC came under attack from rw and budgets --

Watching right now here --

wounds, videos -- discussions of Gaddafi people "coming at night and taking people" --

Missed beginning of report -- top of hour --

Banners: "No foreign interference" -- "Libyans Can Manage it!" ".... A L O N E !!"

"No fly zone" -- when explained seems to be immense complications --

HRC comments now -- and then into David Cameron/British comments --

Now into American Generals' commenting --

Gates: No unanimity within NATO for the use of armed force --

Humanitarian report -- people who fled Libya and on border -- Tunisia?

70,000 so far and still rising. Exhausted and sick -- travelled for days --

fleeing terror and turmoil of Gaddafi's Libya. Sleeping on roadsides --

Transit camp by two Libyan armies -- UN created another camp --

They say, "Would have been worse to stay in Libya" --

UN Refuge Agency -- "cold, wet, miserable" on border --

Violations of human rights -- HR Council/Geneva -- Strong Signal to Gaddafi --

(DIOR UP NEXT -- FOR ANIT-SEMITIC REMARKS!!)

WAIT -- YEMEN PROTESTS ARE BEING COVERED -- want their leader to step down --

daily protests -- want new unity government.

Prominent Cleric -- "you have a right to change your government."

Widespread corruption -- youth unemployment -- Pres. blames America & Isreal for the unrest!!

To destablize the Arab world, he says!!

Back to Libya -- and they made some comment about "civil war" -- !!!! hmmmm...

Just switched to a scandal -- Germany? Defense Minister? Guttenberg resignation?

I'll check BBC again at 11pm for top of the hour stories --

Later --









DON'T TAKE ANY OF THIS LITERALLY -- JUST QUICK AND BRIEF NOTES ON TONIGHT'S REPORT










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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 07:53 PM
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32. Ven. ambassador at the U.N. (complete speech)

(Video, in Spanish, as transmitted by Ven. TV network TeleSur)

Highly recommended for those who understand Spanish. It lays out the Ven. position very clearly -- establish multi-nation peace commission and NO INVASION.

http://www.telesurtv.net/secciones/noticias/89713-NN/venezuela-insta-en-la-onu-a-detener-planes-de-invasion-de-libia/


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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 08:12 PM
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41. In about 45 minutes, turn on AJE. See post 31. Dima_Katib will be on
Edited on Tue Mar-01-11 08:12 PM by Catherina
talking about this.

Thanks for the video.
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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 08:28 PM
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48. Have AJE on right now.



FYI a very good friend from here in the States worked for AJE in Doha for about four years when AJE was getting started. He and his wife (Egyptian citizen) returned to the States to put his two children in primary schools. It was the experience of a lifetime for him.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 08:39 PM
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51. I wonder if they'd give me a job
Gathering tweets for them! I could use these threads on my CV. I'm a bit jealous of your friend. Did you see Hillary on AJE about 15 minutes ago? I was shocked! I thought she looked bad last week and worse yesterday but today she looks like she aged about 15 years.
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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 08:48 PM
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54. Yes saw Hil ....

Job ... sure, why not. :-) You could even do it from your home, unless you want to go to Doha.

She is starting to remind me of the woman who lived in a shoe, has some many problems she does not know what to do.

Then there was the AJE person commenting from Washington. He said Hil and the Pentagon (Gates and Mullen) are NOT on the same page regarding a No-Fly operation in Libya.

Interesting to hear that.



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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 09:58 PM
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68. k/r -- no way Gaddafi could continue as head of the country after this brutality ....no way!!
He'd need a flag the size of our oceans to cover up all of this!!

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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 05:59 PM
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4. How can we say that these people are unready for a democracy that they are prepared to die for?-
septimius_sever septimius severus
How can we say that these people are unready for a democracy that they are prepared to die for?- http://nyti.ms/eCrsEE #libya #feb17
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Unfit for Democracy?
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
Published: February 26, 2011

Is the Arab world unready for freedom? A crude stereotype lingers that some people — Arabs, Chinese and Africans — are incompatible with democracy. Many around the world fret that “people power” will likely result in Somalia-style chaos, Iraq-style civil war or Iran-style oppression.

...

We Americans spout bromides about freedom. Democracy campaigners in the Middle East have been enduring unimaginable tortures as the price of their struggle — at the hands of dictators who are our allies — yet they persist. In Bahrain, former political prisoners have said that their wives were taken into the jail in front of them. And then the men were told that unless they confessed, their wives would promptly be raped. That, or more conventional tortures, usually elicited temporary confessions, yet for years or decades those activists persisted in struggling for democracy. And we ask if they’re mature enough to handle it?

The common thread of this year’s democracy movement from Tunisia to Iran, from Yemen to Libya, has been undaunted courage. I’ll never forget a double-amputee I met in Tahrir Square in Cairo when Hosni Mubarak’s thugs were attacking with rocks, clubs and Molotov cocktails. This young man rolled his wheelchair to the front lines. And we doubt his understanding of what democracy means?

In Bahrain, I watched a column of men and women march unarmed toward security forces when, a day earlier, the troops had opened fire with live ammunition. Anyone dare say that such people are too immature to handle democracy?

...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/27/opinion/27kristof.html?src=tptw
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 06:13 PM
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6. Cameron backtracks on Libya no-fly zone plan as US distances itself
Gheblawi Ghazi Gheblawi
Cameron backtracks on Libya no-fly zone plan as US distances itself gu.com/p/2neh9/tw via @guardian #Libya
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Cameron backtracks on Libya no-fly zone plan as US distances itself
David Cameron's suggestion of establishing no-fly zone over Libya and arming rebels shot down by US and France


Ewen MacAskill in Washington, Peter Beaumont in Tripoli, Nicholas Watt
guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 1 March 2011 21.50 GMT


David Cameron's proposal for a no-fly zone over Libya and to arm rebel forces has been called 'premature' by the US. Photograph: Wpa Pool/Getty Images

...

General James Mattis, the commander of US Central Command, told a Senate hearing: "It would be a military operations. It wouldn't be just telling people not to fly airplanes."

...

Meanwhile the French prime minister, François Fillon, pointedly remarked that no country could "carry out this operation alone". In a further sign of Cameron's isolation, the White House was dismissive of his suggestion that rebels could be armed. Tommy Vietor, a national security spokesman for Barack Obama, told Reuters: "We believe it's premature to make any decisions of that kind."

Britain did make clear that it was still keeping alive the option of a no-fly zone. William Hague, the foreign secretary, said it would be possible to implement one without the authorisation of the UN security council. "It depends on the situation on the ground," Hague told the BBC in a reference to precedent that would allow a no-fly zone to be established if there is a humanitarian need.

...

But Cameron did back away from the suggestion that rebel forces could be armed. "We should be making contact with and getting a greater understanding of the opposition forces which are now in Benghazi and in control of quite a lot of the country," he said in Downing Street. "We are trying to step up our contact with them so we can get to know them better and know what their intentions are. I don't think we should go beyond that for now."

...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/mar/01/cameron-backtracks-libya-zone-us?CMP=twt_gu

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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 06:16 PM
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8. I will be speaking on AlJazeera English in a few minutes... (Dima_Khatib)
Dima_Khatib Dima Khatib أنا ديمة
I will be speaking on AlJazeera English in a few minutes...
6 minutes ago
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 06:20 PM
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11. Sorry.. Not going to speak on AJE any more. This happens a lot to us, TV reporters >>
Dima_Khatib Dima Khatib أنا ديمة
Sorry.. Not going to speak on AJE any more. This happens a lot to us, TV reporters but you can keep watching Al Jazeera anyway... ;)
36 seconds ago
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 06:18 PM
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9. Anti-Gaddafi Protester murdered in alleyway of Fashloom, Tripoli
septimius_sever septimius severus
Anti-Gaddafi Protester murdered in alleyway of Fashloom, Tripoli (*Graphic*) http://j.mp/fYnXlK via @AddToAny
50 seconds ago

(*Graphic*)

Anti-Gaddafi Protester murdered in alleyway of Fashloom, Tripoli (*Graphic*)
Posted on February 28, 2011 by v1d

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8mQWK34b7Y
From God we come and to Him we shall return. May God accept them all as martyrs.


http://feb17.info/videos/anti-gaddafi-protester-murdered-in-alleyway-of-fashloom-tripoli-graphic/[/div
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 06:19 PM
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10. From Tripoli: "We sense chaos here and the uprising confused the security apparatus"
AJE Live Blog - Libya March 1:

(All times are local in Libya GMT+2) < (USA EST +7, PST +10) >

10:50pm Ahmed Yousef, of the Libyan National Initiative, tells Al Jazeera from Tripoli:

There are security brigades roaming Tripoli’s main streets and controlling Tripoli’s main crossings - in the east, west and at the south. There are also pro-Gaddafi vehicles roaming the main streets.

"As for the areas and neighbourhoods, the citizens are entrenched and sealing them off with what ever they can, making it difficult for any stranger to enter. We are talking about a relative control - perhaps the regime is trying, through the security brigades, to send messages to the residents of Tripoli that the regime is in charge.

We sense chaos here and the uprising confused the security apparatus.

There’s real fear, Tripoli at night became a ghost town. I saw with my own eyes - any car can stop you for a search. One aspect of this chaos is that the regime is recruiting young people and arming them with light weapons and is dispatching them to several squares.

And there are also some reports that they give them money to support the regime and stand against the uprising.


http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/live-blog-libya-march-1

The new Live Blog for March 2 is here:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/live-blog-libya-march-2

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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 06:21 PM
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12. current time in Tripoli is 1:15 AM on Wednesday, 2 Mar

TimeInLibya Time In Libya
#Libya The current time in Tripoli is 1:15 AM on Wednesday, 2 March 2011
5 minutes ago
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 10:24 PM
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70. LIBYA HURRA -- !!
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 06:25 PM
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13. "The pace of change and the course of events are moving at the speed of Twitter"
--U.S. Joint Chiefs Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen today on events in ME/Africa
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 06:36 PM
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15. Unable to offload tanker cargo of Libyan oil in Texas due to sanctions?
AJE Live Blog - Libya March 2:

(All times are local in Libya GMT+2) < (USA EST +7, PST +10) >

1:04am Guido Mantega, the Brazilian oil minister, says that the crisis in Libya has so far had a limited impact on global oil prices.

In other oil-related news, a cargo of Libyan crude oil is currently sitting in a tanker off the coast of Texas and Louisiana in the United States, with authorities unable to offload it for fear of violating recent US sanctions.

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/live-blog-libya-march-2

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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 06:49 PM
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16. McCain: Mark Zuckerberg, Facebook founder, "the most popular man in Tunisia"
Finally, on their visit to Tunisia, the senators said everyone asked them if they could get Mark Zuckerberg, the founder of social networking site Facebook, to visit.

"He was the most popular man in Tunisia," said McCain.

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/live-blog-libya-march-2

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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 08:21 PM
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45. Lol! In similar news, Libyan youth r seriously thinking of incorporating
the Google colors into their new flag.

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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 06:58 PM
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18. Bad news AP reports Gharyan and Sabratha retaken by #Gaddafi forces - says people were poorly armed
MilitantNews Stephen Morgan
#Libya Bad news AP reports Gharyan and Sabratha retaken by #Gaddafi forces - says people were poorly armed
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 07:12 PM
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25. oh god....
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 07:03 PM
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19. Russian Military Montitoring Libya from Space: Libyan Airstrikes that NATO claims "Didn't Happen"
C0d3Fr0sty Anonymous
Russian Military Montitoring Libya from Space: Libyan Airstrikes that NATO claims "Didn't Happen" http://bit.ly/gIGmqJ #Libya #Feb17
34 minutes ago

Russian Military: Libyan Airstrikes Didn't Happen
By Keith Laidlaw
MARCH 1, 2011, 12:22 PM

(Russia Today: 0926 PST, March 1, 2011) The reports of Libya mobilizing its air force against its own people spread quickly around the world. However, Russia's military chiefs say they have been monitoring from space -- and the pictures tell a different story.

According to Al Jazeera and BBC, on February 22 the Libyan government inflicted airstrikes on Benghazi -- the country's largest city -- and on the capital Tripoli. However, the Russian military, monitoring the unrest via satellite from the very beginning, says nothing of the sort was going on on the ground.

At this point, the Russian military is saying that, as far as they are concerned, the attacks some media were reporting have never occurred. The same sources in Russia's military establishment say they are also monitoring the situation around Libya's oil pumping facilities.

http://www.linktv.org/about/blog/post/690/russian-military-libyan-airstrikes-didnt-happen
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 07:17 PM
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26. this I don't understand
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 07:45 PM
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29. I don't quite either.
I want to go back through our tweets and review what we got on airstrikes, by whom and how they were reported. I also asked that tweeter what he made of it. He's part of Anonymous and pretty sharp.
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 08:47 PM
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53. The last thing I would trust is Russian opinion on Libya.
They have massive investments behind Khadafy's gov't.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 09:03 PM
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57. As opposed to the UK? France? Italy? Germany? the UK? :shrug:
I'm not sure about this information but I don't consider their information any less suspect than the information we're dumping on the street. The last opinion I'd trust is the UK's with Italy and France right up there next to them.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 07:04 PM
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20. #Libya State TV running video of "relief convoy" for Benghazi,... Stunt unlikely to win hearts, mind
bencnn benwedeman
#Libya State TV running video of "relief convoy" for Benghazi, full of chants of loyalty to Qaddafi. Stunt unlikely to win hearts, minds.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 07:06 PM
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22. State TV runs 5-second audio clip allegedly between to members of Al-Qaida: >>
bencnn benwedeman
#Libya State TV runs 5-second audio clip allegedly between to members of Al-Qaida: "Did you get the hallucinogenic pills?" Very convincing.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 07:09 PM
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23. video: Evidence of Libya torture emerges
C0d3Fr0sty Anonymous
Vid: Evidence of #Libya torture emerges http://bit.ly/gxSSgd #gaddaficrimes #feb17 #Benghazi
21 minutes ago

Evidence of Libya torture emerges
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ0KQABYXgE

As opposition groups in Libya take over areas outside of the capital, state prisons and military buildings are being searched.

In Benghazi, the opposition says they have unearthed equipment used by the government to torture dissidents, while more and more allegations of cruelty towards political prisoners are emerging.

Al Jazeera's Tony Birtley reports from Benghazi, Libya.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 10:29 PM
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71. kr -- America has reintroduced TORTURE --
Torture is as much a threat to us now as it is in any other nation

which has put it in play --

It's the way the right wing remains in control --
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 07:36 PM
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28. K&R. because it's all about Libya and the people.
keep the eye on the prize and let the distractions fall where they may.

thanks Catherina (and others) for all your efforts!
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 07:50 PM
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31. Dima_Khatib will be speaking about Chavez on AJE in 70 minutes
Dima_Khatib Dima Khatib أنا ديمة
@
@Catherina_Guate i will be speaking on this in 90 minutes on al jazeera english. it might be helpful to you may be?
17 minutes ago
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 07:56 PM
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33. Charlie Brooker's awe inspiring rant about #Gaddafi:
Edited on Tue Mar-01-11 07:56 PM by Catherina
LibyanDictator The Dictator
Charlie Brooker's awe inspiring rant about #Gaddafi: http://bit.ly/f0JiZn #Libya #Feb17
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8mCUyYA1qE

Brilliant
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 08:05 PM
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35. that's is so funny , I wasn't aware that the BBC cut away during his rantings
:rofl:
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 08:07 PM
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36. I thought so too, nor was I aware. Brilliant! n/t
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 08:11 PM
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40. defiantly, thanks, hasn't been allot to laugh about
:)
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 08:03 PM
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34. Military intervention or not should be the call of the Libyans inside those who R taking bullets, >
Odarhobi Othman Darhobi
#Libya Military intervention or not should be the call of the Libyans inside those who R taken builts, being kiddnaped and tortured
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 08:07 PM
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37.  Youth of #Tripoli have officially called on mass protests this #Friday

Tripolitanian Libyan
Please RT: Youth of #Tripoli have officially called on mass protests this #Friday #Libya
6 minutes ago
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 08:08 PM
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38. Youth of #Tripoli declare support for interim government in the East (#Benghazi)
Tripolitanian Libyan
Youth of #Tripoli declare support for interim government in the East (#Benghazi) - #Libya
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 08:10 PM
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39. #Saif negotiating with Euro countries on safe haven for father and family
ZahratTrablis Zahrat El
#Saif negotiating with Euro countries on safe haven for father and family #Libya
40 seconds ago

Source?
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 08:13 PM
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42. Source for that information is AlArabiya TV n/t
ZahratTrablis Zahrat El
@
@Catherina_Guate AlArabiya TV
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 08:14 PM
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43. snake coward...
maybe it would be a good idea to let them go....

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 10:39 PM
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72. k/r -- Perhaps some family think s/b limits on violence against their fellow Libyans?
Perhaps some of the family want to live -- ?

What must it be like to have this Monster for a father?

Would anyone ever feel safe as family -- or friend -- or adviser -- ?



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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 08:27 PM
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46. Gadhafi forces retake towns near Libyan capital

Gadhafi forces retake towns near Libyan capital

By Maggie Michael And Sarah El Deeb, Associated Press – 45 mins ago

TRIPOLI, Libya – Moammar Gadhafi's forces battled poorly armed rebels Tuesday for control of towns near the capital trying to create a buffer zone around his seat of power. The increasingly violent clashes threatened to transform the 15-day popular rebellion in Libya into a drawn-out civil war.

<snip>

Gadhafi's regime has retaken at least two towns and threatened a third, while rebels repulsed attacks on three other key areas — Misrata to the east, Zawiya to the west, and the mountain town of Zintan to the south of the capital.

One of those retaken was the strategic mountain town of Gharyan, the largest in the Nafusa Mountains, which overlooks Tripoli, a resident said, speaking on condition of anonymity for fear of government retaliation. The town fell after dark Friday in a surprise attack, and the government troops detained officers who defected to the rebels and drew up lists of wanted protesters and started searching for them, the resident added.

Gadhafi supporters also have said they were in control of the city of Sabratha, west of Tripoli, which has seemed to go back and forth between the two camps in the past week.

More:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110302/ap_on_re_af/af_libya


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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 08:31 PM
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49. Video: Liberated Libya Rejects US Intervention
feb17libya Feb17Libya
#Feb17 #Libya Liberated Libya Rejects US Intervention http://f.ast.ly/qWE82
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tZ2oTLb2XU&feature=player_embedded
On the streets of liberated Benghazi people say no to McCain, Lieberman and any US intervention

http://feb17.info/videos/liberated-libya-rejects-us-intervention/
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 08:40 PM
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52. nice piece, relieved they are getting supplies
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 08:37 PM
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50. K&R
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 09:03 PM
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58. LPC: Az-Zintan a few hours ago they captured 15 mercenaries heading toward city of Nalut
feb17voices Feb 17 voices
LivePhoneCaller from Az-Zintan says a few hours ago they captured 15 mercenaries heading toward city of Nalut. #Libya #Feb17
5 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 09:05 PM
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59. LPC from Az-Zintan: checkpoints, youth who try to leave the city disappear. Close to 40 ppl missing
feb17voices Feb 17 voices
LPC from Az-Zintan: At checkpoints, youth who try to leave the city disappear. Close to 40 people missing. #Libya #Feb17
4 minutes ago
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 09:06 PM
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60. LPC from Az-Zintan: received 2 carloads of medical supplies sent from youth in #Tripoli.
feb17voices Feb 17 voices
LPC from Az-Zintan: We received 2 carloads of medical supplies sent from youth in #Tripoli. #Libya #Feb17
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 09:06 PM
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61. Fighting back in Libya's media war: RADIO FREE LIBYA
Edited on Tue Mar-01-11 09:23 PM by pinboy3niner
AJE Live Blog - Libya March 2:

Anti-government protesters in Benghazi, frustrated with state television reporting that everything is calm in the country, save for pockets of unrest fuelled by shadowy al-Qaeda operatives passing out hallucinogenic drugs, have started their own radio station.

Our correspondent Hoda Abdel-Hamid visited their 'studio', and filed this report.

Watch video report (2:08) here:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/live-blog-libya-march-2

Or watch on Youtube:

Fighting back in Libya's media war (2:08)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQSHe9g2UFg&feature=player_embedded

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 10:49 PM
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73. K/R -- thanks ....
trying again to watch AJE -- seems to cause problems with "visual memory" --

I'll see what happens this time --

Let's hope the Libyans have a recovery from this horrific "13th Day" -- !!!

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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 11:00 PM
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74. Tell your video problem to the DU Computer Help and Support Group
They may be able to help you solve that annoying problem:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=242
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 09:21 PM
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63. Dima's on AJE now talking about the Chavez thing
Edited on Tue Mar-01-11 09:36 PM by Catherina
She just explained that the Venezuelan TV channel that went to Libya went only to Tripoli and its broadcast gave everyone in the country, including Chavez, a false picture of what was going on in Libya; they didn't cover the massive protests and killings and said Libya was calm. The name of the channel is teleSURtv www.telesurtv.net She also explained the hypocrisy from the world now when it didn't say a word about the massacres in Gaza. Very interesting.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 09:39 PM
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65. Report: 60 mercenaries captured at Az Zintan
AJE Live Blog - Libya March 2:

(All times are local in Libya GMT+2) < (USA EST +7, PST +10) >

4:14am More from the Voices of Feb17 website, where an audio message said to be from an anti-government protester in the town of Az Zintan, 170km southwest of Tripoli.

The message says that young people in that town have taken the fight to pro-Gaddafi forces, launching a series of "preventative attacks" on army barracks, checkpoints and other installations to gather weapons and equipment.

It says that pro-Gaddafi forces have attacked the city three times so far, and each time they have been repelled. It is particularly dangerous after sunset, the protester says.

He also said that about 60 "mercenaries" in all have been captured by protesters. On the supply front, the city has received two car-loads of medical supplies from allies in Tripoli, and while there are some shortages of food, in general the situation is not dire.

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/live-blog-libya-march-2

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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 09:39 PM
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66. Part 5 here
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 09:41 PM
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67. Part 5 here
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