Will Obama Dare Campaign in Front of Union Workers in 2012?

[DemocracyInaction]

I cannot imagine any union worker standing there and listening to him. Will he seriously try to do the "put on my shoes and walk with you" speech or anything remotely like it? Perhaps he will use the "but the other guy is real scarey and will do bad things to you" approach. Who cares..the "trust me" factor is gone. And once your throat has been slit, you really don't care whose knife is worse. I'm 65 and this is the most pathetic Dem performance ever in pretending to care for workers. (Bill fucked them over but at least he was lovin' them while he did it).

[polichick]

1. Hard to imagine - maybe the unions will get behind a primary challenge...

Who knows?

[fittosurvive]

11. I know one thing. There will not be a primary challenge.

[polichick]

37. Unions now know that the battle between PEOPLE & CORPS is inevitable...

Prez. Obama isn't going to lead that fight - maybe it'll wait until 2016, maybe not.

[fittosurvive]

39. At present it would appear that the battle is between the Unions and the Government.

[polichick]

46. A gov't that represents the Koch brothers & other corps. nt

[cali]

17. it's not even a little hard to imagine.

[polichick]

38. I give the unions more credit than that - why should they just fall in line...

They could get behind a primary challenge if someone like Feingold were to launch one.

[cali]

44. first of all, Feingold, Sander and Kucinich have made it clear they aren't

running. There will be no credible- let alone viable candidate running against Obama. Why should Unions throw away their time, effort and money on a fruitless quest? They're not that fucking stupid.

[polichick]

49. Has Feingold said he wouldn't run since Walker's attack on unions?

It's possible he'll reconsider - if he did and ran a populist campaign (people vs corporate rule), he'd have a good chance with Dems, indies and union republicans. A poster from Wisconsin mentioned last week that voters there went with Bush & Feingold twice.

[Ikonoklast]

48. I see you don't know or talk to actual union members.

[polichick]

50. I've listened to union leaders such as Jimmy Hoffa Jr, on Ed's show...

It's clear they're not getting what they want from this administration.

[Ikonoklast]

51. Yoyu made my point.

Thank you.

[polichick]

52. So you toss out Hoffa's union?

[Ikonoklast]

54. Go to Open Secrets website.

See that the Teamsters overwhelmingly support and contribute to Democrats.

Hoffa isn't happy that the Federal Government is going forward with allowing Mexican domiciled trucking companies hauling freight into and out of this country.

His beef is with NAFTA.

[polichick]

55. Sure the Teamsters support Dems - who else is there?...

But if the choice was between a populist (anti-corporate rule) Dem and a corporate Dem like Obama, who would they choose?

[Ikonoklast]

59. They used to support Republicans.

So, you tell me.

[WinkyDink]

2. From now until then is a long time.

[Matariki]

3. Hey, didn't the Unions ask Obama to stay away from Wisconsin?

So that the focus of the fight didn't turn on Obama?

[vaberella]

22. YES, they did. Even a poster from Wisconsin said this when she marched with other Wisconsonians.

They don't want him down there. DU is lost in it's own ego to think that they are right.

[Matariki]

32. Either some folks are ill-informed - or willfully ignoring facts in order to bash Obama.

:shrug:

[Bobbie Jo]

33. I'll take the latter for $500, Alex.

It's a full time job for some, it seems.

[uppityperson]

23. Oh picky picky picky. If he'd REALLY cared he'd have ignored the unions wishes

and MADE it about himself.

[somone]

4. He'll be busy cutting ribbons at charter schools

[PBS Poll-435]

18. Does this ever get old for you?

An honest question.

[somone]

20. Read something else

[PBS Poll-435]

25. Well, I don't believe in "ignore" and I like to read everyone's opinion on the thread

So that's not going to work.


I just can not understand the persistant bitching/attempted snark.



It just isn't done very well.

[dionysus]

34. i tend to frame it as free entertainment....

:hi:

[PBS Poll-435]

35. A new and exciting way to view such things

:hi:



:pals:

[SidDithers]

42. +1...nt

Sid

[LoZoccolo]

56. I've actually learned a lot about fallacies and manipulative arguments here.

I probably didn't need to spend as much time as I did in order to learn what I have, but I've gained some interesting insights.

[mmonk]

27. +1000

Walker working one end and Obama the other.

[babylonsister]

5. With Obama's Secretary of Labor writing this, why not?...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x620743

[BzaDem]

6. Of course he will. Just because you feel that way doesn't mean that there is a non-negligable

portion of union workers that agree with you.

[ProSense]

7. Maybe they'll

find a few reasons.

Where does President Obama stand on unions?

President 's 2009 executive order created the National Council on Federal Labor-Management Relations

Obama: Public Employees Should Not Be Vilified

<...>

But let me also say this: it does no one any good when public employees are denigrated or vilified or their rights are infringed upon. We need to attract the best and the brightest to public service. These are times that demand it. We’re not going to attract the best teachers for our kids, for example, if they only make a fraction of what other professionals make. We’re not going to convince the bravest Americans to put their lives on the line as police officers or firefighters if we don’t properly reward that bravery. So yes, we need a conversation about pensions and Medicare and Medicaid and other promises we’ve made as a nation.

But as we make decisions about our budgets going forward, I believe everyone should be at the table, and the concept of shared sacrifice should prevail. If all the pain is borne by one group – whether it’s workers, or seniors, or the poor – while the wealthiest among us keep getting tax cuts, we’re not doing the right thing. I think that’s something Republicans and Democrats should be able to agree on.

Summary: Don't vilify public employees; public service is vital; teachers are underpaid; you can't put the burden on workers, seniors and the poor while supporting tax cuts for the rich.

Excellent statement!

"Let's sue him for breach of promise and move on."

"Bill fucked them over but at least he was lovin' them while he did it."

Thanks Bill!

Give me a fucking break.

[TheKentuckian]

8. Prolly Door #2. Neglect is a big upgrade over rolling the tanks down the street

Of course Obama has been actually willfully harmful to some rather substantial segments but the all out assault launched by the TeaPubliKlans gives enough cover to sell most.

[Pisces]

9. Yes he will and Yes they will be cheering him on and voting for him in larger numbers than ever

before!!!

[Drale]

10. Why would you want Obama to get involved in Wisconsin

It would only turn it into a fight against him, instead of a fight for freedom from fascism

[cali]

12. yes. and Unions will support him and work for him. duh.

it's really not hard to figure out why.

[Bake]

14. Yeah, because, like, who else they gonna vote for?

:rofl:

Bake

[cali]

16. no kidding.

:rofl:

not exactly a brain teaser

[JoePhilly]

13. Yes .... and they will support him.

All of the this breathless pearl clutching is getting old.

[Radical Activist]

15. A crowd of union workers cheered Obama loudly at the American Dream rally Saturday in my town.

You'll have to walk outside and talk to people who aren't professional pundits and bloggers to get a sense for what real people think.

[Uzybone]

19. +1000

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[Shagbark Hickory]

24. They forget very quickly.

[vaberella]

29. Actually they don't want him there. n/t

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[vaberella]

30. That's why I'm stuck as an independent, although I tend to vote Dem.

People just don't get it. Or their so focused in their own thoughts they can't let any other information soak in.

[TheKentuckian]

43. Ignorance is correctable but you can't fix stupid. I think you should reevaluate your perspective

some.

[vaberella]

28. Dude the unions don't want him there. And even Trumka said Obama is doing the RIGHT thing.

You are a bit lost as to the needs. Most, it would seem, don't agree with a lot of people on DU or on here.

[Dappleganger]

31. He'll be too busy touring states with the Bushes

[applegrove]

36. Obama allowed the fight for rights to go national by staying silent.

I bet ya more independants and GOPers learnt something negative about Scott Walker and the GOP because Obama didn't step into the fray. If he had the GOP would have painted the whole thing as a Democratic plot.

[dionysus]

40. you see, Obama's not reviled in the real world like he is on DU...

:eyes:

[polichick]

53. It's not a matter of being "reviled" - how ridiculous! It's a matter of whether or not...

...this president will stand up to corporate power enough to change things in a meaningful way.

[SidDithers]

41. pfffft...nt

Sid

[Arkana]

45. He will, and unions will actively support and work for his re-election.

What's your next question, Captain Push Poll?

[sufrommich]

47. Only on Planet DU would a post like this be taken seriously. nt

[AtomicKitten]

57. ... is a shit statement.

nt

[MilesColtrane]

58. The Magic Eight Ball™ sez..