Libyan Revolution Tweets, Day 15 (or 17*), Part 3

[Catherina]

Libyan Revolution Tweets, Day 15 (or 17*), Part 3

Today's threads: Part 1, Part 2

#Feb17 Youth organizers invite Gaddafi's collaborators to stand under his umbrella ella ella ella ella ella http://bit.ly/faa34E

"We have Plan A, Plan B, Plan C. Plan A is to live and die in Libya. Plan B is to live and die in Libya. Plan C is to live and die in Libya."
- Saif Islam Qaddafi during interview

*I called this Day 15 because the official start date was #Feb17 but the kickoff was 2 days early so in reality today is day 14.

Previous Day 14 threads: Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, Part 4, Part 5, Part 6, Part 7, Part 8, Part 9

The world’s 100 largest arms dealers, excluding Chinese vendors, sold weapons for $401 billion in 2009, with US vendors in first place

Threads for Days 1-13 are in my journal

"I was born in Tunisia, I persevered in Egypt, I sacrificed myself in Libya, I have fought in Yemen&Bahrain. I am Freedom, I will not die."
- Libyan4life Jeel Ghathub

LibyanThinker The Libyan Thinker
Remains of Soldiers Burned to Death for Not Shooting Protesters in #Libya http://www.twitvid.com/YXKOT & http://tinyurl.com/4d6a57n

MAP of Protests across the Middle East


Click here for updated and interactive map
Google Earth DL here to see positions of army and patrolling route of mercenaries

Please rec if you read these so I know if the effort here is worth it.

[pinboy3niner]

1. K&R

[Catherina]

2. Tripoli contact just tried to head towards Misurata. Some mixed news>>

iyad_elbaghdadi Iyad El-Baghdadi
My Tripoli contact just tried to head towards Misurata. Some mixed news follow... #Libya
1 hour ago Favorite Retweet Reply

Between Tajura and Khums there are 6-7 checkpoints, some with tanks and others with infantry & anti-aircraft guns. #Libya

When my contact tried to head on to Misurata, the soldiers said "There are people distributing drugs there, so you can't go" #Libya

My contact tells me that people read this fear and it's emboldening them. They're determined to make tomorrow a day to remember. #Libya

Report ended with "God, give us victory." Amen to that. #Libya
58 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

[Catherina]

3. 3 cities have uprisings and rebellions but are "occupied" by Gaddafi: Gharyan, Zlitan, and Khums >

iyad_elbaghdadi Iyad El-Baghdadi
So now three cities have uprisings and rebellions but are "occupied" by Gaddafi: Gharyan, Zlitan, and Khums. Give these people guns. #Libya
56 minutes ago

[Catherina]

4. Last email from Tripoli was 4 hrs ago. Rumors internet & phones have been cut in prep 4 2morrow

iyad_elbaghdadi Iyad El-Baghdadi
Last email I got from Tripoli was 4 hours ago. Nothing since. Rumors internet & phones have been cut in anticipation of tomorrow. #Libya
55 minutes ago

[Catherina]

5. I think only landlines r still working

septimius_sever septimius severus
@
@iyad_elbaghdadi I think only landlines r still working #libya #feb17
55 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

[Catherina]

6. Libya's fate depends on loyalty of Gadhafi forces,,, asylum in Zimbabwe or Chad?

SultanAlQassemi Sultan Al Qassemi
AP: #Libya's fate depends on loyalty of Gadhafi forces http://bit.ly/ffFo4n "At best, he could hope to be given asylum in Zimbabwe or Chad"
55 minutes ago

Libya's fate depends on loyalty of Gadhafi forces
(AP) – 1 hour ago

CAIRO (AP) — Moammar Gadhafi is safe for now, holed up in the Libyan capital surrounded by his followers and militiamen. Rebels hold a large swath of the east and a string of towns nearer the capital. But neither side seems capable of dislodging the other.

The fate of the oil-rich country may depend on how long Gadhafi can maintain the loyalty of troops, mercenaries and tribes that still support him — and on whether the West decides to take military action to end the standoff.

Nonetheless, analysts caution, it could be months before Libya is rid of its leader of 41 years.

The prospect of a prolonged conflict in the vast and mostly desert nation could ruin Libya — breaking it up along regional or tribal lines, destroying its oil wealth and turn many of its six million inhabitants into refugees and asylum seekers in neighboring countries or across the Mediterranean in Europe.

...

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gcxYHAdSWBwETzPqxzI5CRTqklNQ?docId=94114046d7fc4fb7850e40089e1bbfc5

[sasha031]

7. Rec

[Catherina]

8. Connections to #Tripoli seem degraded. We continue to post as info and audio comes through.

feb17voices Feb 17 voices
Connections to #Tripoli seem degraded. We continue to post as info and audio comes through. #Libya
36 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

[pinboy3niner]

9. Video: hospitals overcrowded with those severely injured, some are children

From AJE Live Blog - Libya March 3 (All times are local in Libya GMT+2) :

10:15pm New footage taken from Libya's February 17 Facebook page shows hospitals overcrowded with those severely injured, some are children
http://on.fb.me/fKO2Zl

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/live-blog-libya-march-3

[defendandprotect]

73. LIBYA HURRA -- !!

[Catherina]

10. #Saudi: Shi'ites stage small protest in #Saudi oil province... "Peaceful, peaceful,"

SultanAlQassemi Sultan Al Qassemi
Reuters: Shi'ites stage small protest in #Saudi oil province http://bit.ly/fuma3k "Peaceful, peaceful," the demonstrators shouted.
36 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

Shi'ites stage small protest in Saudi oil province
Thu Mar 3, 2011 5:19pm GMT

AWWAMIYA (Reuters) - Around 100 Saudi Shi'ites staged a protest in Saudi Arabia's oil-producing Eastern Province on Thursday, demanding the release of prisoners they say are being held without trial, witnesses said.

Mostly young men marched through the small town of Awwamiya, near the Shi'ite centre of Qatif on the Gulf coast.

"Peaceful, peaceful," the demonstrators shouted, holding up pictures of Shi'ites they say have been long held without trial, while policemen stood by without interfering.

...

"They demand the release of prisoners, only this," Zaki al-Saleh, an Shi'ite activist and resident told reporters, although he did not participate in the demonstration.

...

http://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFTRE72259V20110303?sp=true

"Peaceful, peaceful," now the last words any dictator or monarch wants to hear.

[JanDutchy]

11. Libyan state television shows images of dutch soldiers with humanitarian task.

The Libyan State television has shown footage of the Dutch marinehelikopter that Sunday fell government militias. On the images include weapons to see. The crew members also come into view.


The soldiers were arrested Sunday when they wanted to evacuate two people from the coastal town of Sirte, the birth city of Gaddafi. The State broadcaster of the North African country argues that the Dutch "in contravention of international law" without permission the Libyan airspace are parachute.


"According to the al-Arabiya channel, this was a helicopter to get people to evacuate. But here we see what else ", says the presenter if the weapons are shown.


"The helicopter is the Libyan airspace parachute and landed in Sirte, without any permission from the Libyan authorities. And that is in contravention of every international law. "


Can of soda
The crew members come later briefly in image, seated in an Office. They drink fresh from a can.


Then follow more images of the articles which apparently aboard the helicopter were found, such as single hand weapons, a phone and some dollars.


State television also showed images of citizens who are underwhelmed by the helicopter. Because among the images no sound sat, it was not clear what was chanted.


Evacué arrived
The Dutchman returned by the marinehelikopter from Libya would be removed, is meanwhile arrived in Netherlands. He landed at the end of the afternoon at Eindhoven airport
The man worked for the engineering firm Royal Haskoning in Libya. The company confirmed that the man in front of the NOS.
The company had a total of three people in Libya. Last week two Brits are already returned home.


Captured
The evacuation of the man and another European from Libya failed Sunday, when the Dutch helicopter was stopped by Gaddafi-faithful troops.
The Dutchman and the other Europeans had of the Libyan authorities permission to leave the country. They were transferred to the Dutch Embassy.


The evacuees would be picked up in Sirte, 450 km from Tripoli, which is still in the hands of Gaddafi. For the operation was no permission asked to the Libyan authorities.


Behind the scenes
With the crew of the helicopter goes as far as Defence knows well. According to Koos van Dam, Chargé d'affaires in Libya in the 1980s and former Ambassador to several countries, the Ambassador in Libya as far as possible operate in the background: "it should all behind the scenes. If you have too much to the outside, then touches the upset. The first important our people get free. "

The current Ambassador is according to Van Dam the right man to the negotiations. He negotiated in the 1990s about people by Saddam Hussein were taken hostage. "He had daily contact with most of the hostages. If anyone has experience, then he is that you can there is no training to follow. "


In accordance with the Geneva covention the soldiers should be freed.

[JanDutchy]

27. Abuse for propaganda?

The fear is that the Dutch troops could be used as a bargaining chip by Gadhafi's increasingly isolated regime, or for propaganda purposes.

In 2007, a group of British marines were captured by Iranian forces in the Persian Gulf and paraded in front of state TV cameras before being released in what Iran described as a benevolent gesture.

[Catherina]

12. Video: Gaddafi recruits who refuse to fire

feb17libya Feb17Libya
#Feb17 #Libya Gaddafi recruits who refuse to fire (Warning- Extremely Graphic) http://f.ast.ly/bfy8M
38 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYzaGbLCxfs

Posted in previous thread but this is the youtube link. Warning graphic, disturbing and will leave you in tears.

[pinboy3niner]

13. Libyan clerics: Massive kidnapping campaign in Tripoli

The Network of Free Ulema - Libya, a group of clerics in that country, alleges that pro-Gaddafi forces have been carrying out a "massive kidnapping campaign" in Tripoli, targetting opposition activists ahead of a call for marches in the capital following Friday prayers.

The statement from the group read:

This is to URGENTLY notify the world and the International Criminal Court in particular, that Gaddafi and his criminal accomplices are currently (March 2nd and 3rd 2011) implementing a massive kidnapping campaign in Tripoli and its vicinities in order to ‘clean up’ key youth leaders before tomorrow’s Friday prayers, and in order to ‘look good’ to the international Media, which has been invited to Tripoli as part of a public relations campaign aimed at covering up the crimes against humanity that have been inflicted upon the brave Libyan people. We call upon and urge every man and woman of good will, worldwide, to do their utmost to save our youth from the hands of Gaddafi, his thugs, and mercenaries."

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/live-blog-libya-march-3

[Catherina]

19. Arrests continuing in #Tripoli in anticipation of Friday

EnoughGaddafi Enough Gaddafi
Arrests continuing in #Tripoli in anticipation of Friday #libya #feb17
57 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

[Catherina]

14. Video taken of Airstrikes in Brega

feb17libya Feb17Libya
#Feb17 #Libya Airstrikes in Brega (March 3) http://f.ast.ly/bArrn
58 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply


http://feb17.info/videos/airstrikes-in-brega-march-3/

In Arabic

[Catherina]

15. Video: Libya Hospital in Ajdabiya

feb17libya Feb17Libya
#Feb17 #Libya Hospital in Ajdabiya (March 2) http://f.ast.ly/b9ftm
59 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply


Video http://feb17.info/videos/hospital-in-ajdabiya-march-2/

[Poboy]

16. R'd

[Catherina]

17. Video about attacks on ambulances Misurata. #G forces keep attacking ambulances

EnoughGaddafi Enough Gaddafi
Video about attacks on ambulances Misurata http://tiny.cc/1zckp #feb17 #libya says #gaddafi forces keep attacking ambulances #feb17
1 hour ago Favorite Retweet Reply


http://feb17.info/videos/interview-with-ambulance-driver-near-misrata/

In Arabic.

[Catherina]

18. Az Zawiya: People are forming committees to provide social services like city clean up & medical aid

feb17voices Feb 17 voices
Live Phone Call from Az Zawiya: People are forming committees to provide social services like city clean up and medical aid. #Libya #Feb17
58 minutes ago

[Catherina]

20. For about 60 kilometers back to #Tripoli, noisy pro-govt supporters mobbed CNN convoy

MilitantNews Stephen Morgan
NicRobertsonCNN 'For about 60 kilometers back to #Tripoli, noisy pro-govt supporters mobbed our convoy'. Realism+not romanticism needed to win
52 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

[Catherina]

21. Hope call 4 "Day of The Masses" in #Tripoli tomorrow is success,.. will be a bloody confrontation>

MilitantNews Stephen Morgan
Hope call 4 "Day of The Masses" in #Tripoli tomorrow is success, would b set back 4 #Gaddafi but if happens will be a bloody confrontation
48 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

[CJvR]

37. I think...

...the situation have gone beyond demonstrations by now.
Open protests would just add to the bodycount, what is needed is firepower.

[Catherina]

22. 2 change the balance of forces in #Tripoli... needs mobilization of 100-200,000 to succeed >

MilitantNews Stephen Morgan
#Libya 2 change the balance of forces in #Tripoli would be necessary 2 control Green Sq+no guns needs mobilization of 100-200,000 to succeed
45 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

[CJvR]

23. Who armed Gaddafi?

Since the myth that Gaddafi was armed by the West seems to pop up now and then I thought I would give a rundown on the origin of the main hardware on the Libyan OoB for anyone intrested. ( Source: World Defence Almanac 2010 )

All the 800 MBTs are of Soviet manufacture.
Less than 2% of the APCs are of non Soviet origin.
The 900 armored cars are of Italian, Soviet & Brazilian origin (about 1/3 each)
All the Frigates, corvettes & minesweepers in the navy are of Soviet origin as are half of the FAC.
Half the naval aviation is of French origin and the other half Soviet.
Of about 170 combat jets in the airforce 150 are of Soviet origin.
Of about 100 combat helicopters 16 are of French or British origin, the rest? You guessed it - Soviet.
The transport wing operates 47 aircrafts, 8 of US origin and the rest Czech or Soviet.
There is also some 26 COIN aircrafts of Yugoslav origin.

How anyone can get that to the west arming Gaddafi is beyond me. Hell Moscow is seriously pissed even now since the Libyan situation have torpedoed a 4.000.000.000$ arms deal that was in the pipeline.

[Catherina]

24. #Tripoli ppl know #Gaddafi will wade waist high thru blood 2 keep control >

MilitantNews Stephen Morgan
#Libya People in #Tripoli know #Gaddafi will wade waist high thru blood 2 keep control there, use all special forces, without city he's dead
40 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

[CommonSensePLZ]

25. How to spell "Qadhafi"

http://christopherdickey.blogspot.com/2011/03/how-to-spell-qadhafi-literally.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qadhafi#Name

[joshcryer]

34. www.spelldictator.com

http://www.spelldictator.com/

[pinboy3niner]

38. Somebody sure is "Hooked on Phonics," LOL!

:rofl:

[Catherina]

26. Confirmed that revolutionaries have progressed till Bishr; preparing for an attack on Ras Lanuf.

iyad_elbaghdadi Iyad El-Baghdadi
Confirmed that revolutionaries have progressed till Bishr; preparing for an attack on Ras Lanuf. #Libya
47 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

[Catherina]

28. Natl... council in Benghazi now agree 2 limited air strikes but reject any foreign soldiers in Libya

iyad_elbaghdadi Iyad El-Baghdadi
National provisional council & military council in Benghazi now agree to limited air strikes, but reject any foreign soldiers in #Libya.
45 minutes ago

[joshcryer]

Was expected. They were not sure about this but the outcome was inevetable. There will be no...

...airstrikes, however, as the world is sitting back watching, and even some countries are trying to build "mediation" processes as many Libyans are murdered wholesale.

[Catherina]

66. What's ur suggestion. They're suspecting that the Generals are a 5th column

and sabotaging things, they can't have a NoFlyZone because they refuse foreign soldiers and don't want Libya bombed. They;re in a real mess. I honestly see no solution other than Chavez solution to find a way out of this dead-end horror movie. Trial or assassination can come afterwards.

If world governments were serious, they'd all open their borders at the very least and take in refugees. Not even Tunisia has done so and Italy & France are carrying on hysterically about more Arabs near their shores.

I rack my brains Josh and all I see ahead is a bloody mess.

[joshcryer]

71. They accept airstrikes for no fly zone. And want to be able to target Gaddafi loyalists.

[defendandprotect]

74. How does Gaddafi explain the 85,000 fleeing Libya, I wonder?

[pinboy3niner]

76. They're foreign nationals, not Libyans

IIRC, Egypt alone had more than 50,000 Egyptians working in Libya, and several other nations also had tens of thousands of workers there.

[defendandprotect]

77. Yes -- but how does he explain resident/workers "fleeing the violence in Libya" ... ?

Which is being widely and regularly reported on newscasts - including BBC.

[pinboy3niner]

78. He doesn't deny that there's violence

What he claims is that it's being caused by "Al Qaeda cells," not peaceful protesters. In his last speech, he described in detail attacks led by "Al Qaeda infiltrators" against police stations and military camps.

[defendandprotect]

88. Gaddafi does deny that there is anything but "quiet" in Libya -- and noise fabricated by

the few being propelled by "drugs" --

[pinboy3niner]

90. Actually, he acknowledged the violence

He spoke about it at length in his speech yesterday, but he claimed it was inspired by Al Qaeda cells and the CIA. And the hallucinogens AQ puts in Libyans' Nescafe. :)

The regime also has admitted to conducting airstrikes--but only on ammo dumps, not the ones against people. like the near-miss Ben Wedeman and his CNN crew had while traveling on a road 6 km outside Brega while traveling with opposition fighters who did not happen to be towing an ammo dump with them...

[joshcryer]

92. They actually admitted against airstrikes against people, eventually. It was to "scare" them.

:rofl:

It is impossible to believe the regime.

[pinboy3niner]

93. "Tripoli Bob" opens mouth again, puts foot in it again

:rofl:

[defendandprotect]

95. Gaddafi says a lot in his speeches which aren't challenged in real time --

haven't looked at BBC today -- maybe before I go to bed will try another top of hour report.

[pinboy3niner]

99. The point isn't about the accuracy of his statements

It's about the fact that he has acknowledged the violence, and not only on a small scale. He is not claiming that all is quiet--far from it.

The rest of his claims--Al Qaeda, hallucinogens, Nescafe, CIA plot, the Libyan people love him and millions would die for him, etc., are waaaay out there. But, who knows? They may even be true--on whatever planet he's living on. All we can know for sure is that that planet is not this one. :)

[defendandprotect]

100. Think you're taking what I'm saying a bit too literally ....

I'm commenting on Gaddafi's hypocrisy and lies --

For quite some time, Gaddafi was denying the violence -- and any problems --

Obviously at this point he's coming around to acknowledging some of them --

in his own fashion.

Thanks --

[joshcryer]

80. He actually invokes that as "proof" it's terrorists / CIA backed conflict.

[defendandprotect]

89. Actually, I haven't see a comment by him on this issue --

certainly I also have no idea if reporters were even able to ask him about it.

[joshcryer]

91. Gaddafi said "terrorists" were invading, and if it was "peaceful protesters" why would anyone leave?

I transcribed his last speech in real time, you can go back and find it, I am not making it up, it's true that he said that.

[defendandprotect]

94. OK .. so he acknowledged these 85,000 people on the border ... and ....

btw, I did read much of your running transcript -- as insane as Gaddafi is, I did

actually look at it!!

And trust that his explanation will be taken with same summation of him as insane.

[pinboy3niner]

96. Find a copy of the video or text of Gaddafi's last speech, 3/2

Or read Josh's play-by-play commentary in Catherina's thread here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x538645


AJE also had a live commentary on it here:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/live-blog-libya-march-2

[defendandprotect]

97. I've seen it -- and of course he can say anything -- it's not challenged ....

and certdainly not in real time --

not face to face with reporters in an appearance.

[joshcryer]

98. So he has to be interviewed for this to be considered his position??

I'm quite confused.

[defendandprotect]

101. Gaddafi's positions have changed, obviously --

and sometimes with great speed --

I'm making a general observation about Gaddafi's hypocrisy and lies --

you're taking it a bit too literally.

Thanks --

[Catherina]

65. orry but no power going 2 do that-means being at war in Libya+no one wants 2 b involved

MilitantNews Stephen Morgan
#Libya Nat Council calls 4 UN supported air strikes-Sorry but no power going 2 do that-means being at war in Libya+no one wants 2 b involved
20 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

[joshcryer]

72. @that twitter user, no, no one wants to be involved unless necessary. Hard to pinpoint...

...what the Libyans want and where their position is. If they are going to lose do you attack Gaddafi's armies and kill even more people?

[Catherina]

29. Revos in Bishr, Brega, and Ajdabia are in very high spirits. can only imagine low morale of #G men

iyad_elbaghdadi Iyad El-Baghdadi
Revolutionaries at Bishr, Brega, and Ajdabia are in very high spirits. I can only imagine what #Gaddafi's men's morale is like. #Libya
45 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

[Catherina]

30. revolutionaries moving 2 take Ras Lanouf-they know counter-offensive strategically+psychologically >

MilitantNews Stephen Morgan
#Libya Excellent news-revolutionaries said 2 b moving 2 take Ras Lanouf-they know counter-offensive strategically+psychologically important
46 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

[Catherina]

31. victory at Brega was critical. Revos now more organized, emboldened, and confident. Huge boost.

iyad_elbaghdadi Iyad El-Baghdadi
The victory at Brega was critical indeed. Revolutionaries are now more organized, emboldened, and confident. Huge boost. #Libya
47 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

[joshcryer]

33. +1

[defendandprotect]

75. LIBYA HURRA -- !!

[steve2470]

32. k&r nt

[pinboy3niner]

35. Former U.S. diplomat says covert action needed to support revolution

Marc Ginsberg, former U.S. Ambassador to Morocco, was just interviewed on MSNBC (Ratigan show).

Said while debate is going on over no-fly zone, U.S. can and should be doing limited covert action to support the opposition:

--Provide them with sattelite imagery;

--Assist in providing reconnaissance;

--Provide arms;

--Provide specific targeting data.

Ginsberg said (paraphrasing): Since we decided which side we're taking, let's not be half-baked about it. Let's make sure we (win?) the fight. He noted danger that, if Gaddafi survives in power, he will be hostile to U.S. and would likely return to supporting terrorism and providing terrorist haven in Libya.

[Catherina]

50. I kind of agree, agree we shouldn't be half-baked about it.

And send in a small commando team of our own with directions to his compound.

I'm not sure about arming them for the simple reason that #G has scuds he can drop.

I YO-YO.

My true hope is that Chavez convinces him to leave, since that's how the talks will start, and he's assassinated immediately afterwards.

[pinboy3niner]

69. I agree on providing covert support

At the very least, the sat imagery can provide early warning of counteroffensives against Free Libya.

I also have reservations about providing arms (and continuing U.S. role as top arms supplier to the world). The opposition has acquired arms by capturing arms depots and from the defection military units. And small arms is one thing; delivering armor, arty, etc. is more complex. Do we want U.S. transport planes flying into Libya?

It would be great to have a peaceful solution to prevent extensive bloodshed in a protracted conflict. Not sure the Chavez plan has much to offer, though, as opposition goals are non-negotiable.

A better hope, perhaps, may lie in int'l. efforts to offer exile to Gaddafi (though that would sacrifice accountability and justice). And there is also the possibility that the military's support for G could collapse very quickly and end the regime in one stroke.

[joshcryer]

70. Agreed that Gaddafi may be allowed exile, but the window should be closing quick.

It should be clear "if this shit doesn't end in a few days then your immunity goes out the fucking door."

[Catherina]

36. Families of Misratah offered $160,020 to stop protesting

LibyaFeb17_com LibyaFeb17.com
BREAKING: Families of Misratah offered 200,000 Libyan Dinars to stop protesting - #feb17 #libya - libyafeb17.com/2011/03/breaki…
46 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

BREAKING: Families of Misratah offered 200,000 Libyan Dinars to stop protesting

Almanara Media:

Reliable sources have reported to Almanara Media from that cities of Misratah and Nalut that Colonel Gaddafi has sent negotiators to them in the hopes of reconciliation and to stress that Gaddafi is willing to oblige all their demands.

The same sources also said that the negotiators had offered 200,000 Libyan Dinars to each family in Misratah that is prepared to go back to normal life, stop demonstrating and be reigned under the rule of Gaddafi once again.

According to our sources, the negotiators also offered the people of Nalut 250,000 Libyan Dinars per family, an offer which was unanimously refused by both cities through their representatives who confirmed the peoples’ demands for the need to overthrow Gaddafi’s regime.

The sources indicated that there are some traitors in the city of Misratah who are kidnapping and abducting young people by calling for resistance against Gaddafi and when the youth enter into the cars they are kidnapped and handed over to Pro-Gaddafi members in nearby cities.

http://www.libyafeb17.com/2011/03/breaking-families-of-misratah-offered-200000-libyan-dinars-to-stop-protesting/

At today's rate that's $160,020

[Catherina]

39. Next time, just google your clients ... Mariah Carey to Return Gaddafi Family Fee

Libyan4life Jeel Ghathub
Next time, just google your clients. It'll save a few thousands lives. Thanks. http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20470647,00.html
52 minutes ago


Mariah Carey to Return Gaddafi Family Fee
BY CARLOS GREER

Thursday March 03, 2011 01:55 PM EST

Evan Agostini/AP; EPA/Landov

Add Mariah Carey to the roster of names that includes songstress Nelly Furtado who are returning their reported $1 million fees for performing for Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi’s family.

...

Carey, 41, in a statement to PEOPLE, said, "I was naïve and unaware of who I was booked to perform for. I feel horrible and embarrassed to have participated in this mess."

The singer continues, "Going forward, this is a lesson for all artists to learn from. We need to be more aware and take more responsibility regardless of who book our shows. Ultimately we as artists are to be held accountable."

...

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20470647,00.html

[Catherina]

40. The 5th column in Benghazi? ould also not trust ex-Gaddafi generals+ex-Minister of Justice- >>

MilitantNews Stephen Morgan
The 5th column in Benghazi? http://bit.ly/f10ica I would also not trust ex-Gaddafi generals+ex-Minister of Justice-strict control or arrest
50 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply


An encounter with an employee of the "new government" in Benghazi.

Fifth column stalks interim government
Loyalists lurk among revolutionaries

Abbas Al Lawati, Reporting from Benghazi Published: 00:00 March 4, 2011

http://gulfnews.com/polopoly_fs/heavily-armed-opposition-forces-1.771322!image/3337129562.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_475/3337129562.jpg
Heavily-armed opposition forces on a pick up truck about 5km away from Ajdabiya, southwest of Benghazi, eastern Libya.Image Credit: EPA

...

As we walked to the car, we realised that his opinions significantly differed from those of other revolutionaries. He wasn't very confident about the success of the revolution and kept saying it was bound to fail. I had second thoughts about entering the car with him, and so did two of the other journalists I was with. But as he opened his car door, I noticed the box of medicine he said he had been using to treat injured people.

...

We drove for about 20 minutes to outskirts of the city, despite him saying that the shop was only five minutes away. On the way, his views on the revolution became clear. "It's going to fail. I can guarantee that. The people that are running this so called revolution are corrupt to the core. They are in it for the money and power."

...

I am not alone in thinking that there is more than meets the eye about some of the people we meet in Benghazi. Other journalists and aid workers I have spoken to also say they have had experiences which lead them to question who is trustworthy.

There could be a Fifth Column roaming the streets of Benghazi and the halls of the interim government's offices that may just be waiting to surface if or when Gaddafi loyalists decide to retake the city. And that is likely to be very messy.

http://gulfnews.com/news/region/libya/fifth-column-stalks-interim-government-1.771171

[David__77]

44. The defectors have assumed a lot of leadership.

They expected this thing to be quickly, and I suspect that their defection had more to do with opportunism and wanting to save their own necks than with some long-held principle. If the defectors were to be arrested, that would be a tactical mistake for oppositionists, but to allow them to assume leadership would be a mistake as well.

[Catherina]

45. It's very messy at this point

I had grave reservations about them especially as they self-proclaimed their leadership. Ex-Mubarak people betrayed the Egyptian revolution same as ex Ben Ali people did in Tunisia and the people are still out in the streets getting arrested and shot at.

Using them to achieve long term goals seems like a necessary tactic for unarmed people but in Libya's case, I'm extremely concerned. Most organizers want them removed immediately but that's a lot easier said than done.

There was an earlier tweet about how they won't let the youth go fight for Tripoli. Instead they're teaching them to salute, to march, to drill, #WTF. Agree with your post.

[Catherina]

55. See post 54. n/t

[Catherina]

61. Every ex-Gaddafi general/high official should have permanent minders from ppls+soldiers committees

MilitantNews Stephen Morgan
@
@Liberty4Libya @libyanfsl Well said! Every ex-Gaddafi general or high official should have permanent minders from peoples+soldiers committees
1 hour ago

[Catherina]

41. Many voices in the east are against an attack on Sirt. It will fuel tribal animosities.

iyad_elbaghdadi Iyad El-Baghdadi
Have to clarify this: Many voices in the east are against an attack on Sirt. It will fuel tribal animosities. #Libya
50 minutes ago

[Catherina]

47. Those arguing against attack on Sirte b/c of "tribal issues" r 5th column 4 #G + his loyal tribes >

MilitantNews Stephen Morgan
#Libya Those arguing against attack on Sirte b/c of "tribal issues" r consciously or unconsciously in 5th column 4 #Gaddafi+his loyal tribes
53 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

[CJvR]

52. It cant be avoided.

Unless the Westerners are able to defeat Gaddafi alone, something that seems less and less likely, or the USN fly a Tomahawk into Gaddafi's next speach then the East will have to send reinforcements and those have to pass through Sirt. Pissing off a tribe might be bad but allowing Gaddafi to defeat the revolt in detail is even worse.

[Catherina]

53. Then they should demand from Sirt that they'll stay neutral!

LibyaNewMedia LibyaNewMedia
@
@iyad_elbaghdadi Then they should demand from Sirt that they'll stay neutral!
57 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

[Catherina]

59. "Dont attack Sirt b/c disturbs tribes" is suspicious. r either with #Gaddafi+have 2 b defeated or >

MilitantNews Stephen Morgan
#Libya "Dont attack Sirt b/c disturbs tribes" is suspicious defeatism They r either with #Gaddafi+have 2 b defeated or will defect by force
47 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

[Catherina]

42. Video: Fighting Around Brega - March 2 2011

AliveIn Stories from MENA
#Libya Fighting Around Brega - March 2 2011 http://bit.ly/guVEHz (Mar 3) #feb17
49 minutes ago


Fighting Around Brega – March 2 2011



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5wcIOOvq_0

9 mns video of the fight around Brega

[CJvR]

48. Very intresting.

As always the battle seems to happen elsewhere, until a shell flies straight over your head...

Shitty terrain to advance through with light infantry. A single MG nest can hold them 4 ever if they dont have some heavy firepower to support them.

[Selatius]

81. If they had a mortars, it could do the trick.

But yeah, desert warfare leaves almost no cover.

[Catherina]

43. Incredible courage-woman calls on men 2 go out tomorrow in #Tripoli

MilitantNews Stephen Morgan
Incredible courage-woman calls on men 2 go out tomorrow in #Tripoli - even if U dont speak Arabic U will understand http://bit.ly/eMV7fF
47 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GU0taLJpsw

[necso]

46. When someone makes a threat

(open or implied), three questions should be asked:

Do they, on paper, have the capabilities/resources to make good? In practice, are these resources available? Are these resources in a position to be used?

Yes, but it's a lot tougher than might be obvious. Only with great difficulties. Not really, except for certain, humanitarian, limited purposes.

Pressure (psyops; bluff; bravado even) to try to tip the balance on a seemingly near-run thing; more obvious to some than others, perhaps.

In retrospect, having failed (directly; indirectly?), maybe better not done; hard to know in advance.

I'd think yoyo (I'm a worst-case thinker); see 35.

[Catherina]

51. Know exactly what you mean. n/t

[Catherina]

49. London School of Economics Director steps down over Gaddafi funds

SultanAlQassemi Sultan Al Qassemi
London School of Economics Director steps down over Gaddafi funds http://bit.ly/e3zeGn via @HalaGorani #Libya
52 minutes ago Favorite Undo Retweet Reply

LSE Director steps down

It is with great regret and reluctance that the Council of the London School of Economics and Political Science announces that it has accepted the resignation of Sir Howard Davies as Director. The Council has asked him to stay on until arrangements for a successor have been resolved.

The Council has commissioned an independent external inquiry into the School’s relationship with Libya and with Saif Gaddafi and into related matters.

The inquiry will be conducted by Lord Woolf, former Lord Chief Justice of England and Wales and former Chairman of the Council of University College London.

Sir Howard Davies said: “I have concluded that it would be right for me to step down even though I know that this will cause difficulty for the institution I have come to love. The short point is that I am responsible for the School’s reputation, and that has suffered.

“I advised the Council that it was reasonable to accept the money and that has turned out to be a mistake. There were risks involved in taking funding from sources associated with Libya and they should have been weighed more heavily in the balance.

...

http://www2.lse.ac.uk/newsAndMedia/news/archives/2011/03/director_steps_down.aspx

[defendandprotect]

79. KR

[Catherina]

54. #G & sons confidence is not madness... they put saboteurs behind enemy line

MilitantNews Stephen Morgan
#Libya #Gaddafi+his sons confidence is not just madness, they have made plans 4 this long ago-every army put saboteurs behind enemy lines
58 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

[sabrina 1]

60. I hope things move forward as quickly as possible before

Qaddafi gains the upper hand again.

Very worried about the so-called defectors from Qaddafi. People don't experience such a change of heart that quickly, especially reading the negative comments from some of them regarding the success of the revolution.

He didn't survive for this long by being the fool he pretends to be in public. No one should underestimate him now.

[defendandprotect]

82. Interesting --

especially with Generals being of the elite --

But, then, there's also the ICC to think about which makes them accomplices.

Since I think most of us are hoping for a wayward pilot to bomb his compound --

in which case it may also take out any escape routes he has, or means of

survival for months as we've seen in one of his "bunkers" -- Gaddafi may also

be wondering about the same things. How elaborate might his detection systems

be around the compound? If not, the he and family may be spending some time in

the basements of the compounds ... just in case?



:evilgrin:

[sabrina 1]

85. The ICC decision will most likely scare some of those who

are taking orders from him now, if they have any intelligence whatsoever.

If the Latin American proposals include asking him to leave and offering him a safe place to go to with his family, that would seem to be his only option at this point. But he may want to die a 'martyr' under the illusion that his people still love him, as he says. So, it's hard to guess what someone of his mindset might decide to do.

[defendandprotect]

87. ... and seems that Gaddafi got rid of even his brother-in-law who was

a Gaddifi like monster, it seems --

Have been a lot of defections -- more needed.

You know I've had no problems with Chavez's criticisms of Bush/Obama -- but this

adventure worries me a bit. Think anything Chavez wants to offer to Gaddafi has

to be in interests of the people of Libya and should be done in the open.

Imo, the world cannot let this man go free. Yet, again, we've let Bush/Cheney/

Rumsfeld go free!!

[sabrina 1]

102. I imagine when he sees the facts about what Qaddafi has done

to his people, he will not want him to go free either and would probably leave that to the ICC. But in the meantime, if someone can persuade him to step down, that would save lives.

The leaders of Latin American countries, who suffered for so long under dictators backed by the U.S., do not trust the U.S. at all. Nor do most of the people in Arab nations, and in other African countries. We are NOT to be trusted. It is a delicate situation, many Libyans fear an invasion by the U.S. also, because of the oil, and because we have shown to be more than capable of doing it under the guise of 'liberating' people.

So all these countries that fear the U.S. taking over, or installing yet another puppet government, are probably weighing which is worse, to ge Qaddafi out of there and end the conflict fast leaving no excuse for the U.S. to invade, or to condemn Qaddafi's actions. To do the latter would leave them with no leverage to try to end the conflict quickly and undermine any attempt by the Western powers to exert any influence in Libya.

For the Libyan people, I cannot think of a worse fate for them than to be occupied by the same gang that have reduced Iraq and Afghanistan to rubble. So to me, and maybe to those Latin American and Arab countries, getting him out of the country is a small price to pay for keeping the War Machine from the West out of there. Sometimes you don't have too many good options.

But, if the revolutionaries can end it themselves quickly, of course that would be the best solution. Sadly though, they are dealing with someone who does not care what he does to suppress the revolution and it's likely that a lot of people will die before and if they finally defeat him. Is it worth getting him out and dealing with him later to save some of those lives and to keep the Western powers out also?

I think that is the question on the minds of those whose own countries have suffered under U.S. colonialism. No one would wish that on the Libyan people.

And if anyone thinks the U.S. and its allies would not 'interfere', they need to read today's news where Big Oil, Halliburton, Bechtel et al are asking Congress to lift the sanctions on Libya so they can 'continue their work there'. This is a very dangerouos time for Libya. I say get him out of they can do it. And then let him be dealt with later.

[Catherina]

86. +1. I read the situation the same way n/t

[Catherina]

56. Beyonce giving the bloodstained $1million to the Clinton-Bush Haiti Fund >

LibyanDictator The Dictator
Beyonce giving the bloodstained $1million to the Clinton-Bush Haiti Fund. http://bit.ly/enygPz - This not good enough? Prick. #Libya #Feb17
3 hours ago

Link below is for Beyonce who received $2million, not $1million. I'm appalled but thank you Mariah Carey and Nelly Furtado.

Usher?

Libyan Relief Effort – Paypal
Posted on February 22, 2011 by admin

We would like to thank Paypal for their support during this crucial time!

the donation account is open.

All proceeds will provide medical assistance,medical supplies and all other logistical efforts (ex: transportation )

For more information please contact:

Naeem Gheriany

naeem @ easy . com

Sorry for a three hour tweet about Beyonce. My screen flipped to a different one.

[Catherina]

57. only gave 1 million and recived 2 million, plus the Clinton Bush foundation >>

ceoDanya Danya B Mohammed
@
@ArabicDemocrati she only gave 1 million and recived 2 million, plus the Clinton Bush foundation which she supposedly gave it to hasn't
56 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply


Now I know how I went back 3 hours... looking for the other part of the conversation.

[sabrina 1]

64. Why not return it to the Libyan people to whom it belonged?

Haiti does need money, but I would not be giving it to any organization with Bush's name on it. What happened to all the rest of the money raised for Haiti? But that's another story.

[pinboy3niner]

68. +1000

It seems awfully arrogant to presume to decide where to donate the Libyan people's money. Especially to donate it someplace OTHER than Libya.

:hi:

[defendandprotect]

83. +1000%

[Catherina]

58. What protestors will request from Venezuela is 1. extradition, 2. brought 2 trial

ArabicDemocrati Arabic Democrati
What the protestors will request from Venezuela only is that: #Gaddafis extradite to #Libya and brought to justice. #feb17 #gaddaficrimes
47 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply


You might want to finesse how you phrase that a little

[Catherina]

62. Mass kidnap of leaders in #Tripoli frightening Reminds me of Pinochet in Chile >>

MilitantNews Stephen Morgan
#Libya Mass kidnap of leaders in #Tripoli frightening Reminds me of Pinochet in Chile putting Revs in football stadiums+machine-gunning them
41 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

[Catherina]

63. NFZ simply wont happen.>>

MilitantNews Stephen Morgan
@
@ZahratTrablis NFZ simply wont happen. NATO members against, US not want to and Arab League is not militarily capable (+not politically)
30 minutes ago

[defendandprotect]

84. Should they be able to offer other options, then -- and where is UN ... ???

[Catherina]

67. Part 4 here

www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x551214