PFC Manning Forced to Strip Naked

[EFerrari]

PFC Manning Forced to Strip Naked
Last night, PFC Manning was inexplicably stripped of all clothing by the Quantico Brig. He remained in his cell, naked, for the next seven hours. At 5:00 a.m., the Brig sounded the wake-up call for the detainees. At this point, PFC Manning was forced to stand naked at the front of his cell.

The Duty Brig Supervisor (DBS) arrived shortly after 5:00 a.m. When he arrived, PFC Manning was called to attention. The DBS walked through the facility to conduct his detainee count. Afterwards, PFC Manning was told to sit on his bed. About ten minutes later, a guard came to his cell to return his clothing.

This type of degrading treatment is inexcusable and without justification. It is an embarrassment to our military justice system and should not be tolerated. PFC Manning has been told that the same thing will happen to him again tonight. No other detainee at the Brig is forced to endure this type of isolation and humiliation.

http://www.armycourtmartialdefense.info/2011/03/confinement-conditions-worsen.html

[RKP5637]

1. Yeah, we don't torture. BS nation. n/t

[Smarmie Doofus]

2. US Military cannot try this guy. Could it be any more obvious? n/t

[Newest Reality]

3. How would we react and what would that treatment do

to each of us? Takes some empathy here.

It appears that they are not just holding him with intents to prosecute him. They are stripping him down mentally and breaking him into little pieces, slowly and methodically. From the reports I have read, this is deliberately punitive action on a person who accused, yet not tried and convicted. Psy-ops as black as the ace of spades?

That's below the lowest of the low and reprehensible. It sends a very ominous signal to those who stand for freedom and truth.

[Sonoman]

7. I doubt there was much reaction on Manning's part.

Having spent a good bit of time in a military brig (Marine) under solitary conditions, I can tell you that not much bothers you once you are incarcerated. They fuck with you all the time and it gets to be pretty much of a game.

I was in under, basically, the same conditions as Manning. They were trying to sweat me for information. I refused to speak for three months and they finally just gave up and released me. I think I was Court-Martialled after that, but my memory isn't completely clear on all of that crap. It was a long time ago.

Sonoman

[tekisui]

4. knr

[Ilsa]

5. Defund the military. Fire those rat-bastards. nt

[slay]

8. +1000

inhuman warmongers

[WillyT]

30. + 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!!

:kick: & Rec !!!

:mad:

[Kurovski]

59. + infinity

And free the man or try him already. They got nothin'

[demmiblue]

6. Article 5 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights:

No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.

:kick:

[truebrit71]

9. That's so "quaint"....

:puke:

[EFerrari]

20. And that means, no one.

:kick:

[Ignis]

21. "It's just a goddamn piece of paper!"

Oh, wait...that's the Constitution, sorry.

[EFerrari]

10. If you have a minute, tweet it, send it out to your email lists

post it where ever you can.

The only hope Manning has is if this generates too much negative publicity.

This is the short link: http://bit.ly/h20VF4

[Renew Deal]

11. How do we know this is true?

What's the source?

[EFerrari]

12. The link is to his lawyer's blog.

[Renew Deal]

14. Well, that will do.

;)

[Hissyspit]

80. New York Times:

First Lt. Brian Villiard, a Marine spokesman, said a brig duty supervisor had ordered Private Manning’s clothing taken from him. He said that the step was “not punitive” and that it was in accordance with brig rules, but he said that he was not allowed to say more.

“It would be inappropriate for me to explain it,” Lieutenant Villiard said. “I can confirm that it did happen, but I can’t explain it to you without violating the detainee’s privacy.”

[lpbk2713]

13. "The Treatment"

Humiliation is just one part of it.

[Octafish]

42. Yarp.

It'd be worse, were it not for the Internet.

[Mnemosyne]

15. K&R for more visibility and

:puke:

[EFerrari]

17. Thank you.

:(

[drmeow]

16. Is there ANYTHING we can do?

[EFerrari]

18. We can object loudly, that's all I can think of.

Put it out there to your peeps if you can.

[drmeow]

47. Wrote letters to

McCain, Kyl, and my rep asking them to tell me what they are doing or to justify their allowing US Soldiers to torture a fellow American. I expect to hear crickets for a long time.

[jberryhill]

19. Did he sign up for a psych class at Northwestern?

[msongs]

22. The CIC has family values ya know nt

[EFerrari]

23. Manning is reportedly gay.

If that is true, it adds an extra layer of abusiveness to this treatment to force him to strip in a largely hostile environment.

If anyone else did this to a gay person, we'd call it a hate crime.

[AsahinaKimi]

24. I have a Question

If he should die, without a court martial, in his cell of, say of Pneumonia or is starved to death, will anyone take action on this, or will the Military say "oops, our bad" while not really caring at all?

Can they be taken to task for this? Legally does anyone have a leg to stand on if they allow him to die?

[EFerrari]

25. What they have is impunity unless we challenge it

in any way we can.

[EFerrari]

26. kick

[NavyDem]

27. I say Prove It.

Since the lawyer is making this claim, let him come forth with witnesses. Just like the government has to prove Manning guilty, his lawyer needs to prove this mis-treatment.

I find it incredibly funny that everyone buys this unconditionally, but have no problem saying that those making the accusations are lying (This case and the Assange case).

I think it's more likely that this laywer is going to make up any reason he can to get his client off, now that he's facing 22 new charges, one of which carries the possibility of the death sentence (which they are not persuing).

[EFerrari]

29. Right. Because this lawyer has nothing to lose by floating bullshit.

On what planet?

The outcry over Brad Manning's treatment already got one officer fired. I guess that was just the lawyer lying, too!

I say, thank you for your defense of indefensible punitive pre-trial detention. What would we do without people willing to sign off on anything.

[NavyDem]

36. If the glove don't fit...

OJ Simpson was aquitted wasn't he? The lawyers job is to get their client aquitted. I'm not willing to sign off on anything. I'm willing to sign off on something. That something is that Bradley Manning will face trial, and evidence will be presented to either convict or aquit. Since the lawyer is making such an outrageous claim, for his sake he damn well better have inarguable proof of the allegation. Call his witnesses. I bet he wasn't there during the time of the alleged stripping was he?

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[Hissyspit]

81. The situations are not equivalent.

Anyway here's the confirmation from Marines:

First Lt. Brian Villiard, a Marine spokesman, said a brig duty supervisor had ordered Private Manning’s clothing taken from him. He said that the step was “not punitive” and that it was in accordance with brig rules, but he said that he was not allowed to say more.

“It would be inappropriate for me to explain it,” Lieutenant Villiard said. “I can confirm that it did happen, but I can’t explain it to you without violating the detainee’s privacy.”

[Puregonzo1188]

87. The Marine spokesman is quoted talking about this to the New York Times a few threads up.

What more proof is required? Pictures? Would you have to witness this event for you to believe it?

[NavyDem]

88. 7 posts late to the game...

I acknowledged that article in post #82. Proof enough for me.

[Solly Mack]

28. k/r

[PBS Poll-435]

31. From a reliable source, I heard that PFC Manning was...

Forced to sing the Can-Can for 3.5 hours,

Forced to walk the dogs of every superior officer in his 10 x 10 cell. (Ewww, stinky!)

And worst of all,

Forced to listen to Dr. Laura 23 Hours each day.





I would like to see any, or hell, one of the claims by the legal defense to be proven or substantiated.

[EFerrari]

32. Really? I didn't know Carrot Top still had a gig. n/t

[PBS Poll-435]

33. I just don't understand how so many are duped into believing anything and everything regarding this

It is simply breathtaking.

[EFerrari]

35. Seriously. I myself read the lawyer's blog because

he is a professional with solid gold cred. Carrot Top, not so much.

[PBS Poll-435]

38. I will rephrase. I don't understand why so many want this to be true. So bad.

It is truly bizarre.

[EFerrari]

41. Well, I have nothing better to do than make shit up about Brad Manning.

Go figure.

[PBS Poll-435]

48. In this economy? Who knows.

[EFerrari]

50. Bullshit.

[Hissyspit]

79. Ugly.

[Hissyspit]

75. BS

[Hissyspit]

73. I don't know. Abu Ghraib, maybe? Anyway, brig officials seemed to have confirmed it with NYT.

On Edit:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/04/us/04manning.html?_r=3

First Lt. Brian Villiard, a Marine spokesman, said a brig duty supervisor had ordered Private Manning’s clothing taken from him. He said that the step was “not punitive” and that it was in accordance with brig rules, but he said that he was not allowed to say more.

“It would be inappropriate for me to explain it,” Lieutenant Villiard said. “I can confirm that it did happen, but I can’t explain it to you without violating the detainee’s privacy.”

[Ken_Fish]

92. Can they say he tried to suicide. Does HIPAA or similar privacy

law apply to a prisoner? Just curious. I would assume the gravity of his situation has sunk in for him.

[Hissyspit]

84. You know how goddamned hard that is to do.

He is locked away from the rest of humanity for the most part by people who have no particularly strong interest in letting the outside world know what is happening to him.

So everything must be lies then, automatically, right.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

34. Well, Manning is a terribly dangerous threat. He provided us with (gasp) information!

Obviously, in a democracy, giving the people information about the doings of "their" government is a terrifying prospect.

[PBS Poll-435]

37. No. He stole it.

Not exactly the same thing.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

39. So do most whistleblowers. So what?

[NavyDem]

44. Whistleblower protection

goes out the window as soon as evidence is presented that Manning even possessed a classified document without authorization.

[EFerrari]

46. That has nothing to do with punitive pre-trial detention

which is illegal even if Manning turns out to be the big bad wolf, which he isn't.

[PBS Poll-435]

51. But no one can factually and accurately prove that what is claimed is actually occurring.

[EFerrari]

54. But we do know that the last officer in charge of his detention was fired.

That establishes a track record both for his attorney's reports and for the conduct of the detention.

[PBS Poll-435]

57. It'll all come out in the wash, I guess.

My participation on this thread started with pointing out how so many WANT it to be true whether it is or it isn't.

[donheld]

86. You make me very sad

you seem to not want to believe it whether it's true or not.

[PBS Poll-435]

45. Because he is legally not allowed to. Crimes have consequences

And while I appreciate the efforts of his legal team, lying about his conditions and treatment in an effort to sway the punishment afforded to him, I don't think it is proper or even ethical.

[EFerrari]

Back up your smear. Thanks.

[NavyDem]

56. Prove

that the allegation of being stripped down is true.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

61. Right. Knuckle-dragging marine prisoner chasers would never do anything like that.

USMC 1961-65

[NavyDem]

65. So

You admit you would do the same? You're a Marine after all.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

67. I was a marine who told them to shove it.

When they asked me to extend my enlistment to kill people I didn't know, had nothing against, and may have liked, because LBJ wanted to show how tough he was.

You were in the navy for 20 years and didn't know about marine brig guards?

[NavyDem]

68. No.

I know nothing about Marine brig guards, as I've never been held in custody. I have dealt with Navy brigs on the ship as a short collateral duty. My expertise is in IT. My 20 years was served as a non-combatant.

[EFerrari]

63. You know, my dad was Navy. And he put on the uniform,

not the blinkers.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

52. How do you know they're lying? I'd trust his lawyers over the military any day.

[PBS Poll-435]

55. Because it just doesn't make any sense. There would be an intervention of some kind if this was

Actually happening.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

58. By whom? The ever trustworthy military?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[EFerrari]

64. These are the same people led by the same SecDef that had a worldwide torture progam

and lied about it.

I'll go with the lawyer, thanks.

[Hissyspit]

78. "Actually happening"

First Lt. Brian Villiard, a Marine spokesman, said a brig duty supervisor had ordered Private Manning’s clothing taken from him. He said that the step was “not punitive” and that it was in accordance with brig rules, but he said that he was not allowed to say more.

“It would be inappropriate for me to explain it,” Lieutenant Villiard said. “I can confirm that it did happen, but I can’t explain it to you without violating the detainee’s privacy.”

[EFerrari]

43. No kidding. n/t

[lonestarnot]

49. Fucking A.

Do they like staring at penis and hair balls and ass? Fucking pervs.

[EFerrari]

53. This is a gay kid at Quantico.

Nice, huh?

[lonestarnot]

62. Fucking rat bastards!

[PBS Poll-435]

66. More likely than not is isn't true

Even though this is UMCJ, this is typical pretrial tainting.

What is worse is that his legal team is using his sexual orientation in this campaign.

[NavyDem]

69. My question

Is why would the government allow such treatment knowning that the world is watching (lawyer already filed complaint about treatment), given that it could blow their case (a high profile case, at that)?

[PBS Poll-435]

70. They wouldn't.

That is why this is fraud and I can't for the life of me figure out why so many have got sucked into it.

This is not real, people.

[Hissyspit]

77. They wouldn't?

What in hell are you going on about?

No reason to say that, even before this confirmation:

First Lt. Brian Villiard, a Marine spokesman, said a brig duty supervisor had ordered Private Manning’s clothing taken from him. He said that the step was “not punitive” and that it was in accordance with brig rules, but he said that he was not allowed to say more.

[EFerrari]

76. Read it and weep.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/04/us/04manning.html?_r=2

[NavyDem]

82. No weeping here

The brig confirms, and indicates it was within brig rules. Question now is how is it within brig rules?

At any rate, there is no bail system under the UCMJ, and if his pre-trial confinement is found to be unlawful, he can motion for the illegality to be ended (I believe his attorney already did this), and receive credit toward his sentence. He could also file for redress of wrongs filed by a superior officer.

[Hissyspit]

83. You may not be weeping

But you asked for witnesses, and there they are.

[NavyDem]

85. Yes

And I acknowledge that.

[EFerrari]

95. It's illegal per the UCMJ, it's a violation of Geneva and the UN Declaration of Human Rights.

The Pentagon lied about forced nudity in Abu Graib, too. Liars.

[Hissyspit]

71. Brig officials have apparently confirmed it.

Looking for link.

This may be it: http://topics.nytimes.com/topics/reference/timestopics/subjects/u/united_states_armament_and_defense/index.html

[Ken_Fish]

91. I would be willing to bet the rest of his life will involve prison activity

lifting, coughing, comes with federal lockup. He was effectively a dead (locked up forever) man when his conversation was posted on the web.

He has no chance. His id will be all over the files. they will be correlated to times and locations of access and thats it.

[EFerrari]

74. It is true, it has been confirmed.

And yes, the fact that Manning is gay is an issue in his punitive pre-trial detention.

[Ken_Fish]

89. Not really. The only issue is his actions. He confessed online.

I would assume a person has to log in and is video taped while using a secure system. His motives, his sexual orientation, and his favorite color are not relevant.

He will die in prison. Soon or an old man. That is the scope of his future.

[elias49]

94. Me4thinks I detect a gummint man!

[leftstreet]

60. K&R

:puke:

[EFerrari]

72. And here is the confirmation in the NYTs.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/04/us/04manning.html?_r=2

I think that's it for me in this thread.

[myrna minx]

90. Thank you for posting this. K&R n.t

[lsewpershad]

93. The USA

has gone to the dogs

[DirkGently]

96. Haven't you heard? Manning has been pre-convicted of horrendous crimes rendering him a non-person.

... or, "the military is allowed to do whatever it wants to people." Or,

"It's the "worst" case of "espionage" in history!!! (!!!). Or,

"So what, it's just being made to strip naked in front of others. You know, like football hazing. Just good fun. Or

"Solitary? Everyone needs some 'alone time', Or ... or ...

Or maybe our country, and in particular, our military, and in particular, our practices regarding prisoners in any way falling under the rubric of so-called "national security" has gone completely off the rails, and this will be regarded as the era in which America became, without any particular fanfare, a lawless security state in which anyone without sufficient economic clout can be rendered a non-person, with their rights stripped and their voices silenced, on the say-so of nameless, faceless, secret police, while our leaders make self-congratulatory speeches demanding the ouster of "barbaric" foreign leaders for doing that very thing.