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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-11 09:14 PM
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According to Ayn Rand, evolution is just a theory.
Discuss.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-11 09:32 PM
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1. No
(I feel so GOPish today)
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-11 09:33 PM
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2. According to evolution, Ayn Rand is devolution.
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WhaTHellsgoingonhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-11 09:34 PM
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4. hahahhaha!!!
:rofl:
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-11 10:40 PM
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15. that would be radical right wing republicans
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drokhole Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-11 09:34 PM
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3. Robert Anton Wilson, on Ayn Rand:
Edited on Thu Mar-03-11 09:34 PM by drokhole
"I thought the Trots and Catholic priests were dogmatic, but Ayn Rand made both groups look like models of tolerance by comparison. I thought she was a clinical paranoid. It was nearly 30 years later that I found out Rand was merely on Speed all the time, which creates an effect so much like paranoia that even trained clinicians cannot always tell the difference, and some even claim there is no difference."



My opinion on her views of evolution? Fuck Ayn Rand.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-11 09:37 PM
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5. There you go
That's Rand in a nutshell. Pun intended.
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GoneOffShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-11 09:41 PM
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6. Fuck Ayn Rand? Ewwww!
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drokhole Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-11 09:52 PM
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8. Yep, fell right into that old trap.
Edited on Thu Mar-03-11 10:00 PM by drokhole
Guess I shouldn't be so hard on her.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-11 10:42 PM
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16. I'm bookmarking this thread just to have access to this particular post in the future!
thanks for sharing!
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drokhole Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 06:58 PM
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17. Glad to be of assistance!
Happened to come across it in a book last week and made a mental note of it. Happy to share!
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-11 09:49 PM
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7. Ayn Rand was a tobacco addict, therefore Ayn Rand harnessed the power of the Sun.
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jcboon Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-11 09:59 PM
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9. It pains me to say so. . .
But she may have had a point. Science is itself a theory--based on cause and effect--you have to believe in cause and effect and it can't be proven by the "scientific" method. One has to "believe" in science therefore all science is theoretical. This is an interpretation of Hume but I doubt that Ayn Rand agreed with Hume on much else.

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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-11 10:16 PM
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10. Response: Jane Goodall, primate evolutionary scientist.
"Every individual matters. Every individual has a role to play. Every individual makes a difference."

Is Ayn Rand an individual that matters in the meta-narrative of evolution? The paradox ensues.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-11 10:18 PM
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11. Evolution is a scientific theory...
Edited on Thu Mar-03-11 10:49 PM by backscatter712
It's the only explanation that scientists have that fit the facts of fossils, DNA evidence, radioisotope decay testing, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

Of course, the word "theory" has a completely different meaning to right-wing fundies than it does to trained scientists.

Though to be fair, Ayn Rand created her philosophy of Objectivism, which is a completely different flavor of insanity than that practiced by fundie Christians.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 07:05 PM
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18. Actually, evolution is a fact
There is undeniable evidence that plants and animals evolve, within the usual and ordinary meaning of that term. There is no serious dispute on this point. The "theory" part comes with the mechanism by which evolution occurs. Popularly understood mechanisms include "survival of the fittest," "natural selection," and "punctuated equilibrium." It seems likely to me that evolution occurs through all of these mechanisms, and perhaps in some combinations of them. Life as a complex phenomenon doesn't always yield to a single explanation; even seemingly identical outcomes can have very different mechanics for achieving them.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-11 10:20 PM
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12. no way, someone thinks evolutionary theory is a fuckin theory... wow. nt
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Democrats_win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-11 10:30 PM
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13. According to Matt Taibbi, Ayn believed in "objective reality."
In his book Griftopia, Taibbi describes objective reality as, "When I'm right, I'm right" and "My facts are facts and your facts are not facts."

What a deal! Anyway, you can see the problem. To her, the only thing that matters is what she thinks. We've been through this before when the "church" decided that the earth was the center of the universe. This kind of thinking could be described in the words of Einstein: "the bad judgement of conviction."



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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-11 10:32 PM
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14. By the strict workding of the Scienitfic method
Ayn Ryan is correct. This does not mean that she'd comprehend why.

In fact, even though we have no doubt the Theory of Gravity is real...and easily reproducible, it IS a theory.
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Curmudgeoness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 07:10 PM
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19. According to Ayn Rand, we are all lazy, ignorant, scum suckers.
She wasn't right about much of anything, although as I recall, it is known as the "theory of evolution". Although I cannot imagine why anyone can't believe it has been proven enough to be considered a "law".

I love people who do not believe in evolution, but they believe in "superbugs" that have become resistant to antibiotics. Duh, how did that happen? Oh, I know, god wants to kill us off so he created them.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 07:16 PM
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20. A true Scientific EXPERT has spoken
:shrug: Some people just can't seem to absorb facts.....They would rather live in their own delusional world.
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 07:18 PM
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21. According to Gene Ray, EARTH HAS 4 CORNER SIMULTANEOUS 4-DAY
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 07:20 PM
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22. According to the dictionary...
Evolution is indeed


Definition of THEORY

1: the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another



http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/theory



The Theory of Evolution....the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another...


Where's the problem?




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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 08:04 PM
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23. It IS just a theory. A theory with enormous evidence behind it.
n/t
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Sheepshank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 08:05 PM
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24. ...but her book is fact?
interesting, idiot brain cramp issue going on.
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Chris_Texas Donating Member (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 09:10 PM
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25. Fact Check Time
"I am not a student of the theory of evolution and, therefore, I am neither its supporter nor its opponent." --Ayn Rand

Obviously we know that Rand had no religious beliefs that stood between her and acceptance. I take her at her word: she probably did not really care.
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