I am getting emails about "simple water fuel device" - anyone

[truedelphi]

here know about this?

URL:

http://www.simplewaterfuel.com/?hop=dormer

You supposedly hook up this device to your car, van, truck, ATV and it saves you 67% (in terms of your need for gasoline or diesel.)

I'd love to hear what people here think.

It was an ecology group that sent me the link - they do not stand to gain from promoting the product.

[Ken_Fish]

1. Scam.

mythbusters tested them. A cursory look at their schematics show they can not provide any significant benefit. The last one I saw was endothermic.

[sufrommich]

2. Are the emails from Nigeria? nt

[qazplm]

3. if it's too good to be true, it probably is...

if it's too good to be true, and it's on the internet, then run the other way!

[Cleita]

4. Just because they say they are ecological doesn't mean

that they are.

[truedelphi]

14. I trust the group sending this out, but it looks like they need someone

With some science behind their thinking to examine what they should support and what they
should avoid supporting.

[SDuderstadt]

5. Are these the same devices that...

"Big Oil does not want you to know about"?

[rosesaylavee]

6. Red flag

Usually when I see something that sounds too good to be true, I do a search with the name of whatever it is with the word scam attached. Usually that brings up a number of links to look at that will give me the info I need to make a decision. This time when I did it, it sure looked like whoever has designed the first website ALSO designed websites 'discussing' whether or not this is a scam. That is disappointing to me personally as I will now have to rethink how to search out scams.

Will check back to read other responses but just based on that alone, I'd stay away from it. No one I found with this initial search would say what happens to the engine when this magic flows thru it over time. That would be something to consider.

[Edweird]

7. Scam. While technically accurate - you can separate oxygen and hydrogen with a car battery

(in fact DC is the way to go if you need hydrogen by itself) the quantity you're going to get from a mason jar will be tiny and insufficient for anything. I knew a guy that was trying to build a "smack's booster" (or something like that) and, of course, it failed. In the instructions they tell you to alter your fuel map to lean out your engine because of the hydrogen - this is what will get you any increase in mileage, but it also makes engine damage more likely. A too lean engine can burn a hole in your pistons and destroy your engine. Also you run the risk of sucking water into your engine. A "hydraulic'ed" engine is also scrap at that point.

[truedelphi]

15. Definitely wanna avoid ruining the car's engine.

Thanks for the explanatory points you mention.

[IDemo]

8. Conservation of Energy

http://library.thinkquest.org/2745/data/lawce1.htm

Energy in a system may take on various forms (e.g. kinetic, potential, heat, light). The law of conservation of energy states that energy may neither be created nor destroyed. Therefore the sum of all the energies in the system is a constant.

You're going to use more energy electrolyzing hydrogen from water than you retrieve by burning said hydrogen. It's kind of like expecting a windmill powered generator on the roof of an electric car to recharge the battery as it drives.

[GoneOffShore]

9. If it's indigo it might work - as long as it's quantum indigo

Just kidding!

:rofl:

[MilesColtrane]

10. The first law of themodynamics: there is no free lunch.

The energy required to split water molecules (into HHO) exceeds the energy recouped by burning it.

You can run your car on water, but your electric bills will exceed what you're saving on gas.

[hobbit709]

11. not this one again.

[WhiteTara]

12. you're wasting energy

by even reading the email. A quick delete should be more efficient.

[customerserviceguy]

13. This kind of BS went around back in the 1970's, too

when gas prices climbed steeply, both in 1973 and 1979. But dontcha know, the oil industry has paid Detroit off to keep effective technology from being put in our cars?!!

I guess it'll have to be a worldwide conspiracy when the story is being retold today.