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Ichingcarpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 03:44 PM Original message |
Obama Forced an American to Strip Naked (& stand at front of his cell-for seven hours) |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
1. K&R |
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BlueIris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
2. Ohhhhh, good luck. |
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Ichingcarpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 03:48 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Yes, I know ...over the top?.... Obama doesn't read? |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 04:13 PM Response to Reply #3 |
22. Obama probably receives regular reports on the torture, too. |
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Ichingcarpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 04:30 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. Excuse me......"enhanced interrogation" |
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fittosurvive (538 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 07:09 PM Response to Reply #3 |
73. They also know who the real heroes are. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
4. Pretty lame, really. |
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Ichingcarpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 03:55 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Yes Manning is Lame as is torture to Americans |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 04:01 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. You may consider my thoughts to be anything you wish. |
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Ichingcarpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 04:34 PM Response to Reply #12 |
30. Oh... right |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 04:50 PM Response to Reply #12 |
33. The buck no longer stops here.... |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 03:56 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. If the Bush Admin had done this, DU would be melting down n/t |
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Ichingcarpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 03:59 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Pay attention on how the Government has treated Wikileaks |
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GSLevel9 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 04:05 PM Response to Reply #8 |
16. and if YOUR quarterback is Big Ben... |
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FreeState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
5. It was done two nights in a row now... it's pure homophobic humiliation |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
6. K & R. |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
9. As noted in the other, long, thread on this, the article linked in the earlier |
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FreeState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 03:59 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. It was done two nights in a row |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 04:04 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Interestingly, the same thing happened - and it is NOT what the OP |
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FreeState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 04:10 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Either way it's wrong |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 04:16 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. Making up stuff is wrong also. nt |
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FreeState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 04:59 PM Response to Reply #24 |
35. Didn't see were I did that,but thanks for agreeing what was done is wrong n/t |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 06:13 PM Response to Reply #35 |
56. I agree that torture is wrong. I do not agree that being naked while |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 06:19 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. HE IS NOT ON A FREAKING SUICIDE WATCH |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 06:36 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Bold caps will make it even more forceful. The precautions currently being |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 06:41 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. They are distinct classifications |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 06:45 PM Original message |
So, if you can state that stuff should not be made up, then perhaps you |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 06:48 PM Response to Original message |
72. Deflection |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 08:10 PM Response to Reply #59 |
83. How do you know? that sounds like exactly what it is |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-11 01:37 PM Response to Reply #14 |
105. And you're okay with Bush tactics to humiliate detainees |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 05:05 PM Response to Reply #9 |
36. So, are you discounting his mistreatment because it's not quite as bad as some people have said? |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 06:41 PM Response to Reply #36 |
64. Being naked is not mistreatment. He is in a cell by himself. It is to reduce the |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 06:43 PM Response to Reply #64 |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 06:48 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. I did, while under the euphoria of 'hopey/changey.' When there is another |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
13. Why should he be freed? |
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Arkana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 04:12 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. We oughta arrest that Obammy feller. |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 04:16 PM Response to Reply #13 |
23. Oh but he committed a crime we LIKE - so that's different. Bullshit like this is why I didn't donate |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 05:06 PM Response to Reply #13 |
37. Accused of what crime? |
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NavyDem (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 06:39 PM Response to Reply #37 |
63. Here you go |
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ReggieVeggie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 06:45 PM Response to Reply #63 |
67. has he been formally charged? |
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NavyDem (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 06:47 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. Those are the formal charges. N/T |
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ReggieVeggie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 11:55 PM Response to Reply #70 |
97. Do you think his treatment is warranted? N/T |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 08:22 PM Response to Reply #37 |
86. Of course there are |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 05:40 PM Response to Reply #13 |
44. I for one didn't say to FREE him. I say STOP TORTURING HIM!!!! |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 08:23 PM Response to Reply #44 |
87. A suicide watch is not torture |
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GSLevel9 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
15. I'm SURE it was done WITHOUT Obama's knowledge! |
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Arkana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 04:06 PM Response to Original message |
17. Obama shot a man in Reno |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 04:12 PM Response to Original message |
20. Well he should fire whoever did that |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 04:12 PM Response to Original message |
21. unrec because the subject line states a confinee was made to stand |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 04:18 PM Response to Reply #21 |
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11 Bravo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 04:36 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Yup. The FoxNews model comes to DU. |
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Bobbie Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 08:02 PM Response to Reply #31 |
79. +1000 |
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Sheepshank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 08:28 PM Response to Reply #31 |
88. op isn't falling far from the faux "headliner" tree n/t |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 05:08 PM Response to Reply #21 |
38. So it's ok, because, while he WAS forced to be naked, he wasn't forced to stand? |
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Bobbie Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-11 03:11 PM Response to Reply #38 |
107. Of course not... |
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qazplm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 04:19 PM Response to Original message |
26. I dont condone |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 06:02 PM Response to Reply #26 |
49. this isn't about being stripped upon entering the system, but DAILY--please read the article |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
28. Deleted message |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 05:14 PM Response to Reply #34 |
41. Including breaking a military oath of service. |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 05:22 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Torture, even of duly convicted criminals, is illegal |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 05:56 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. Sleeping in the nude is not torture. |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 06:00 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Am I? Or you grossly understating the conditions of his incarceration? |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 06:07 PM Response to Reply #46 |
53. millions of americans sleep in the nude BY CHOICE, which makes a small difference. |
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NavyDem (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 06:45 PM Response to Reply #53 |
68. Read my previous links... |
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madinmaryland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 06:06 PM Response to Reply #34 |
52. How do you know he is not suicidal?? |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 06:12 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. doubly amazing |
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BobbyBoring (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-11 04:20 PM Response to Reply #55 |
112. And that's the whole point |
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markpkessinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 06:32 PM Response to Reply #52 |
61. The Brig psychiatrist has refused to approve Manning being put on a suicide watch. |
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Swede (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
32. That bastard hasn't delivered the mail yet ,either. |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 05:08 PM Response to Reply #32 |
39. Disgusting trivialization of Manning's mistreatment. |
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Ichingcarpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 05:11 PM Response to Reply #32 |
40. Gitmo isn't closed because they can't find a place |
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pintobean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 05:36 PM Response to Original message |
43. You would be +500 recs if this happened 3 years ago |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 05:53 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Yep! But NOW, it's A.O.K. |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 07:47 PM Response to Reply #43 |
75. Yep. There would also be outrage at his forcing crotch searches on citizens at airports. nt |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 11:35 PM Response to Reply #43 |
94. Now it's an "ignored" magnet. |
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markpkessinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 05:57 PM Response to Original message |
47. Not to defend the treatment of Manning, but in the interest of accuracy... |
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AlabamaLibrul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
50. The term is "is forcing". As in, it's still going on now. Abu Grahib all over again. n/t |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 06:04 PM Response to Original message |
51. Manning should not be tortured, degraded or executed. But HE BELONGS BEHIND BARS. |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 06:13 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. IF convicted! |
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Cid_B (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 07:58 PM Response to Reply #57 |
77. Umm... |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 08:05 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. +1. |
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tallahasseedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 08:19 PM Response to Reply #77 |
84. I agree... |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-11 01:32 AM Response to Reply #77 |
103. How nice of you to move right to the sentencing. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 06:46 PM Response to Reply #51 |
69. But he is being degraded, maybe tortured and is behind bars, without |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 06:12 PM Response to Original message |
54. there was no standing in front of his cell for seven hours |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 06:13 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. how do you know it didn't happen? |
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Bodhi BloodWave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 07:11 PM Response to Reply #58 |
74. How do you know it did? nt |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 10:47 PM Response to Reply #58 |
92. because the claim came out of one poster's own head |
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tallahasseedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 08:21 PM Response to Reply #54 |
85. It's simple... |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 11:52 PM Response to Reply #85 |
95. Yep. Sad, but all too true. And they call themselves progressives. nt |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-11 12:06 AM Response to Reply #85 |
98. whatever it is it's freakish and embarrassing n/t |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 06:30 PM Response to Original message |
60. I see ain't nothing changed around here. |
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Bobbie Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 08:07 PM Response to Reply #60 |
81. Nope. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 07:50 PM Response to Original message |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 08:02 PM Response to Original message |
78. Obama didn't take out my trash yet... |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 09:05 PM Response to Reply #78 |
90. Yeah. Asking a president to stop the torture of an American GI is equivalent to demanding an iPad. |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 11:55 PM Response to Reply #90 |
96. An unsubstantiated claim made. What in the hell do you expect rational |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-11 12:50 AM Response to Reply #96 |
99. It's been substantiated by his lawyer. Are you waiting for a military report on Manning's torture? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 08:10 PM Response to Original message |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 09:02 PM Response to Original message |
89. No, it's Cheney and Bush or Rove. Isn't that what we said back in the day? |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 09:10 PM Response to Original message |
91. Why did you claim, "& stand at front of his cell-for seven hours"? |
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Modern_Matthew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
93. We shouldn't waste time defending our leaders when our brothers and sisters are being mistreated. nt |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-11 12:53 AM Response to Original message |
100. He did not force the whistleblower to strip. He just condones the stripping of whistleblowers. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-11 01:20 AM Response to Original message |
101. If he asked me, I'd strip for him. Wouldn't even have to force me |
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canetoad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-11 01:28 AM Response to Original message |
102. I only regret |
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11 Bravo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-11 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
106. Hell, Obama hopped on AF1, flew down and stripped him, and then laughed at his dick! |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-11 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
108. No no, that is a negative against Obama and we all know the man |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-11 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
109. Keep this dishonesty up.. Newt, etc. thanks you |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-11 04:06 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. How is it dishonest to call torture when you see it? |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-11 04:08 PM Response to Reply #110 |
111. I don't know the details of the case, but I'd prefer a criminal to stand naked for a few seconds |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-11 04:23 PM Response to Reply #111 |
113. Er how does someone getting tortured equate into the GOP winning the WH? |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-11 04:27 PM Response to Reply #113 |
114. "Obama condones torture!11!! don't vote for him next year" |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-11 04:29 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. Seems like a helluva good reason to me. |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-11 05:29 PM Response to Reply #115 |
117. I can't believe the lengths people will go to defend Obama! |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-11 05:28 PM Response to Reply #114 |
116. So you put party over principles. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-11 09:13 PM Response to Reply #116 |
118. Thank you. |
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