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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 04:09 PM Original message |
Many trade unions have programs to ensure a standard of quality. Do the teachers' unions have this? |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 04:20 PM Response to Original message |
1. my friends who teach in NYC public schools teach english with no texts at all in rooms so crowded... |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 04:22 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. It depends on what the test would cover. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 04:28 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Are you talking about Praxis - |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 04:27 PM Response to Original message |
3. Which specific trade unions and what kind of programs? It's hard to compare when you give zero |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 04:34 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Apprenticeships, continuing education, that sort of thing. n/t |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 05:26 PM Response to Reply #8 |
24. oh, well i know there are additional levels they do coursework and get accreditation for it in NYC |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 08:05 PM Response to Reply #8 |
38. That is not an answer. Student teaching, continuing education - |
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speltwon (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 04:35 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. Licensing is not quite the same thing as proficiency exams. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 04:39 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. That would obviously make sense, but are you willing to pay for that level of proficiency |
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speltwon (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 05:07 PM Response to Reply #11 |
22. Yes I am. I think those go together |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
5. Will this do? |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 04:31 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. I've been trying to figure out if the OP means to enter the profession |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 04:33 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Well, I was hoping to elicit something more explicit. |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 04:34 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Yes, this is the sort of thing. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 04:40 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. In California, it goes sort of like this: |
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liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
13. Trade unions such as pipe fitters and electrical workers provide certification |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 04:51 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. The IBEW has an extensive apprenticeship program. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 04:53 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Yeah, isn't that the school board's job? |
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HubertHeaver (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 05:40 PM Response to Reply #16 |
26. No, the only real power the school board has is to hire and fire the |
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HubertHeaver (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
14. Teachers are educated in a state-certified |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
17. Yes AFT has an award winning research based PD program |
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Snoutport (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 05:01 PM Response to Original message |
18. I have to have a masters, I must take 3 hours of class a year... |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 05:04 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Yeah but do you meet the "standard of quality"? |
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Snoutport (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 05:19 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. LOL! NO! I don't yet! I have one more year as a probationary teacher. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 05:59 PM Response to Reply #19 |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 07:25 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. No, I wasn't. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 08:05 PM Response to Reply #29 |
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demmiblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 05:32 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. That should just about cover it! |
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groundloop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 05:06 PM Response to Original message |
20. I believe a better question is how in hell we're going to attract and retain qualified teachers.... |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 05:07 PM Response to Original message |
21. . |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
27. They certainly do in Canada |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 05:55 PM Response to Original message |
28. the role of the teachers' union is to support its membership. the role of districts & localities |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 07:17 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. This has not been the case for all unions. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 07:29 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. It is always the case that a union's first duty is to represent the interests of it's members. |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 07:34 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. It doesn't serve the union members to come to the table with diminished leverage. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 07:46 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. I'm just saying that the union is never out to get the members, that is not its job. |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 08:07 PM Response to Reply #33 |
41. Maybe you should just say what you really mean |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 08:13 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. I don't say that because I don't know how many are unqualified. |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 08:50 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Well none of this is about the "quality" of teachers |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 09:18 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Even if it isn't, they could disarm the talking point if they wanted to. n/t |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 09:29 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. How do you disarm a lie? |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 09:55 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. You prove it wrong? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 08:07 PM Response to Reply #30 |
40. bullshit. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 08:12 PM Response to Reply #30 |
42. Wisconsin has typically shown it's results in having high SAT scores - |
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Capitalocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 07:48 PM Response to Original message |
35. They advocate for smaller class size and other education issues. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 07:50 PM Response to Original message |
36. We get college degrees, like other professionals. In PA, we need more than Bachelor's for |
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