Bradley Manning's forced nudity to occur daily

[MNBrewer]

Glenn Greenwald in Salon

<http://www.salon.com/news/torture/index.html?story=/opinion/greenwald/2011/03/05/manning>

"brig officials now confirm to The New York Times that Manning will be forced to be nude every night from now on for the indefinite future -- not only when he sleeps, but also when he stands outside his cell for morning inspection along with the other brig detainees. They claim that it is being done "as a 'precautionary measure' to prevent him from injuring himself."

[highplainsdem]

1. This is torture. This is a crime against humanity. And those responsible should be prosecuted.

[treestar]

4. OK, so if he kills himself

than that will be OK and there won't be any blame assigned to anyone else?

[highplainsdem]

5. Greenwald answered that:

Has anyone before successfully committed suicide using a pair of briefs -- especially when under constant video and in-person monitoring? There's no underwear that can be issued that is useless for killing oneself? And if this is truly such a threat, why isn't he on "suicide watch" (the NYT article confirms he's not)? And why is this restriction confined to the night; can't he also off himself using his briefs during the day?

[treestar]

33. Who knows the ingenuity of the human mind?

If it were a terror attack, they'd be expected to anticipate it.

[MNBrewer]

7. So you've swallowed the propaganda, then?

1. That he is suicidal (and who wouldn't be after the way he's been treated)
2. That his continued mistreatment is justified by his being suicidal
3. That his continued mistreatment is A.O.K.

[treestar]

34. Why is it propaganda?

Have you proof he is not suicidal? But more to the point, if he does kill himself, you'd blame no one, right?

[tekisui]

35. Not surprising you fall for the ruse.

This is to humiliate and punish only. It is not for his safety. He is under constant observation.

[treestar]

36. So if he kills himself, you will not blame anyone?

Were this not undertaken, and he killed himself, you wouldn't be blaming anyone, right?

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[Maine_Nurse]

8. Unfortunately, that is standard procedure in many, if not most, civilian jails and prisons too.

[niyad]

13. this is the first time I have ever heard of enforced nudity in ANY american jail.

[Moondog]

19. With respect, the fact that you have never heard of it

simply means that you have, thus far, led a very protected life, far from the military; and far from jails, prisons and other confinement facilities.

I mean this in the most positive, and congratulatory kind of way.

But this also means that you really do not understand whereof you speak. Once again, with respect.

[niyad]

20. with respect, I grew up in the military, and spent more time with them than you can ever imagine,

so, however respectful, your comment about my "protected life" will be greeted with gales of hysterical laughter when I repeat it to my associates.

[Moondog]

21. My resume matches yours, and exceeds it.

[MNBrewer]

23. So?

[Maine_Nurse]

27. Most psych workers don't know that forced sterilization is still legal, but it is...

in many states. It hasn't been used here in forever, but technically we can still petition a judge for it. There are a lot of nasty policies in effect that people just don't realize.

[MNBrewer]

22. So?

[Moondog]

26. ?

[MNBrewer]

28. You have NO IDEA what the other poster's resume consists of

You're just bloviating.

[Moondog]

32. Think what you like.

[cherokeeprogressive]

37. Wayyyy too diplomatic. Try talking out his ASS. n/t

[Maine_Nurse]

24. Well there is currently a lawsuit here in Maine for the same treatment...

except she is arguing that she wasn't suicidal (IIRC). If she was suicidal, the policy supports the actions that were taken against her. Nearly identical to Manning in fact. No blanket, no clothes, etc. Except they strapped her into a chair.

Seriously, this is common suicide watch precautions in the majority of correctional institutions here. I'm in a psych hospital and we don't do it that way, but the police do.

[markpkessinger]

29. But Manning has NOT been placed on a suicide watch...

...because that would require the approval of the Brig psychiatrist, who has not found reason so support that move. Indeed, that's why the previous commandant wound up resigning, because he ordered Manning placed on a suicide watch without the required approval of the brig psychiatrist.

[ananda]

2. REC!

This torture is so wrong.

[gateley]

3. I hope this gets lots of media coverage. I just e-mailed Congressman Jay Inslee

my current rep, and Congressman Jim McDermott, my former rep, to ask them to stand w/Dennis in being allowed to see Manning.

I understand one gives up rights when joining the military, but this is torture, and I don't think we feel they should give up the right to humane treatment and human decency. :grr:

[leftstreet]

6. K&R

[LeftyAndProud60]

9. Sounds like jail to me. NT

[MNBrewer]

10. So this is typical, standard operating procedure?

[msongs]

11. let's play make the (gay man) stand naked outside his cell nt

[MNBrewer]

12. oh, but it's alright, because

1. it's happening under the tender mercies of the Obama Administration
2. Bradley is a bad, BAD boy and needs punishment!!

:sarcasm:

[FreeState]

39. +1 government homophobia at it's finest n/t

[yurbud]

14. can someone please ask Obama about this shit? or at least his spokesmodel?

[markpkessinger]

31. I heard someone ask Gibbs about it a couple of months back . ..

. . .and Gibbs gave an evasive referral back to the authorities at Quantico. Obama ALREADY KNOWS ABOUT THIS, and apparently approves!

[yurbud]

40. of course, but he needs to say it for those who aren't paying attention: we torture our own people.

[niyad]

15. hmm, "possible suicide:???? guess they plan on him "suiciding" one day--like hanging himself with

his hands tied behind his back???

[niyad]

16. and the pervs who thought up this delightful little humiliation? wonder how tightly wrapped they

are

[MNBrewer]

18. Don't Ask, Don't Tell

[KoKo]

17. Where are all our Great and Competent Human Rights Lawyers?

Where are the they? Where are the Organizations who look into the mistreatment of "high-profile" American Captures...? Advocates for Prisoners Rights? Constitutional Lawyers who should be helping Glenn Greenwald? Where IS everyone?

:wtf: is going on here?

[Hubert Flottz]

25. Maybe the officer in charge likes to look at the private's privates.

Sounds like those guys are some more "bad apples?"

[MNBrewer]

30. I mean, REALLY? Just how Orwellian can we get?

<http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/05/world/05manning.html?_r=2>

"Lieutenant Villiard said the new rule on clothing, which would continue indefinitely, had been imposed by the brig commander, Chief Warrant Officer Denise Barnes. He said that he was not allowed to explain what prompted it “because to discuss the details would be a violation of Manning’s privacy."