Her baby wasn't expected to live, but Nebraska law banned abortion

[usregimechange]

Danielle Deaver cradled her daughter, knowing the newborn's gasps would slowly subside, and the baby would die...

Her life struggle, 15 minutes outside the womb after 23 weeks and five days of gestation, was over.

"Our hands were tied," Danielle Deaver said. "The outcome of my pregnancy, that choice was made by God. I feel like how to handle the end of my pregnancy, that choice should have been mine, and it wasn't because of a law."

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20110306/NEWS10/103060331


A baby suffocating, now that is moral. :eyes:

[DURHAM D]

1. I'm just going to say it -

I hate Crazy Christians.

[ThomCat]

15. Oh Yes.

:(

The pain and harm they do to our entire society can't be measured.

[gratuitous]

17. I'm just going to say it -

Incorrect.

[truebrit71]

33. I'm just going to say it -

..you are correct..

[drmeow]

2. The mother's comment

"I get so frustrated. I just think if they (lawmakers) thought about their daughter, their sister, their mother, their wife being in this situation, they would never want them to go through that," Danielle Deaver said.

Unfortunately she is wrong - they WOULD want them to go through that ... because that is the "lot of women." Women are supposed to suffer and pregnancy is supposed to be a risk. The religious reich in this country believe that all women need to suffer from Eve's sin. That the father is also suffering doesn't matter to them as long as the mother suffers (preferably more). They would also say that she's being punished for not getting married and starting to get pregnant earlier.

[underseasurveyor]

11. If the lawmakers families were in this situation

It would be hushed, but they'd get their abortions to spare them this pain.

[drmeow]

19. It depends

Santorum didn't ... one of his sons was born prematurely and lived only 2 hours, a sonogram showed the birth defect and suggested a very poor prognosis.

There are Mormon elected representatives who also would not get the abortions.

If they want to be that stupid they are welcome to do so. It is the imposition of their extreme religious position on others which is such a huge problem. In Santorum's case it was a choice - he has turned around and tried to force everyone else to live by his twisted morals. That is what makes him a festering wound on the American political body.

[underseasurveyor]

20. True, true

But any of those extra special privileged types that would and have access to an 'illegal' abortion would have it done.

[drmeow]

26. And it is true that few

of the Rethug lawmakers who pass these laws have the courage of their convictions - or even that they have the convictions. Even if the procedure was illegal in their state, they would have the money to fly to another state (or another country) to get it done. That is one reason why I think a law making it illegal for an adult (or a parent with their own teenager) to cross state lines to get an abortion would never pass. Right now I think there laws making it illegal for a non-parent/guardian to take a teenager across state lines to get an abortion but I don't think a parent/guardian is restricted from doing so nor an adult from doing it for themselves.

[lapislzi]

36. The only just abortion is *my* abortion. n/t

[lpbk2713]

21. There were no winners here.

I hope the RWingnuts and the fundies are proud of themselves.

Assholes.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

28. These people also encourage mothers to bond with the still born babies...

Seems like that would just be worse. Bonding with a dead body just seems morbid to me. If I never had to look at the body, it could be like I had a miscarriage and there was no baby. What are people thinking? It sounds like torture.
Duckie

[drmeow]

35. I thought what Santorum and his wife

did with their baby (who died 2 hours after birth ... they chose not to abort even though they new) was CREEPY - took the body home with them, introduced "him" to their other children, and slept with it in their bed before taking it back to the hospital the next day. The creepiest part was introducing a dead body to your other kids!

[YellowRubberDuckie]

40. Yes. That is sick.

[LiberalAndProud]

3. The state needs to butt out. Now.

These decisions should be made by the woman, with consultation and support from her doctor. Period.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

4. I wonder what the *good* folks at Crisis Pregnancy Center (or Live Action)

might have to say about the kind of trauma they helped force on this couple? :puke:

[joshcryer]

10. There was once a website called Misscarriages of Love, Something Awful made fun of it:

http://www.somethingawful.com/d/news/were-all-gonna.php

The website was truly atrocious, with clearly PTSD mothers taking pictures of their miscarried fetuses and putting them in clothes and shit.

[underseasurveyor]

13. I'm not going to click the link

but I will say that's just gross.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

23. Sounds like a site

Rick Santorum would frequent. :puke:

[CaliforniaPeggy]

5. Heartbreaking.

My heart breaks for those good people...

:-(

[Ohio Joe]

6. ugh....

It is just shameful the way these fundy nut-cases feel the need to insert themselves between a woman and her doctor. They just have to have control over women. Douchebags.

[MadMaddie]

7. Republican small government....oh except for a womans womb

[angstlessk]

18. that's the 'shrink government till it is small enough to fit into a woman's womb'

[Starry Messenger]

8. They think watching our children die or die ourselves is part of a woman's lot in life.

It's time to start calling the so-called pro-lifers by their real name: anti-woman bigots.

[femrap]

14. I think they're

sadistic satan lovers. No one could wish such misery on woman and not be some kind of demon.

I'll never step foot in Nebraska. Goddess....WTF is wrong w/ 'people?'

[YellowRubberDuckie]

30. True.

If they were really pro life, they'd also anti-abortion doctor murder, and God knows they want to fry everyone convicted of a crime.
Duckie

[underseasurveyor]

9. So sad for them.

The moment that child was born the law, the state, and the anti-choicers didn't care anymore.

[Chorophyll]

22. And from a healthcare/insurance perspective:

It must have cost a lot more for this woman to carry for 23 weeks and give birth to a baby who only lived a few minutes than it would have to terminate the pregnancy. So in addition to the horrible emotional cost, this law enforces an extra financial burden.

Despicable all around, and terribly sad.

[Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel]

25. and don't forget about burying fees

do sad...

[pitohui]

32. yes there is great profit in cruelty and the destruction of women

there is huge, huge, huge profit in suffering in this country, while the ugly face of religious bigots who hate women are on the front lines pushing this cruelty...it would not be the law of our land if a rich corporation did not profit

the rich profit from having a woman undergo longer and more agonizing medical procedures, they do not profit from a woman saving herself w. an inexpensive termination before her body and her mind is altered forever

they profit too from keeping vegetables alive on machines, with false promises that one in a thousand or one in a million might somehow wake up...they know these corpses are the living dead, they know the cost to the families, and there is just too much profit for the doctors, hospitals, nursing homes in keeping vegetables alive

i see so much cruelty in our society, so much of medicine being used to multiple suffering a thousand times what would be possible without technology...and the reason seems very clear to me, the sellers of this technology are getting rich from our suffering

the law does not enforce an extra financial burden by mistake, it does not drain everything a family owns by chance

this is the intention behind the law

the god stuff is a distraction for the stupid people

[Chorophyll]

34. What you said. Precisely.

Yet another case of the religious right being the useful idiots of their corporate overlords.

[MadMaddie]

12. The Republicans that voted this sick law in

not once said anything about the baby's suffering. The only thing they said was the baby was born alive. The child suffocated to death....sick bastards they are enjoying this. Yes, I said it because it's about power over someone else's life....bastards..

[SoCalDem]

16. When I was about 8, my mother's friend came to our house, weeping

Her doctor could not find the heartbeat of her unborn baby. After another visit and no heartbeat, they sent her home to wait until she went into labor..

She went around with a dead baby inside her, for at least 3 weeks until she went into labor & delivered a stillborn baby:(

This was back in 1958, so maybe they did not induce labor back then, but I always though how cruel that was..and potentially dangerous to her own health.

Her doctor apparently told her there was nothing he could do for her..that she would just have to wait.. he also said that there might be a heartbeat but it was too weak to detect..

I think she was about 6 1/2 or 7 months pregnant..

This was at Gorgas Hospital in the Canal Zone..

[Omaha Steve]

24. I posted the Omaha World Herald story 1/2 an hour ago

K&R!

[YellowRubberDuckie]

27. Their stupid logic is that the possibility of a miracle...

...is more important than the suffering. They are sadistic morons. If I found out that I was having a child who would die a horrible death once outside of my body, I'd have flown to a place where it were legal and gotten the abortion. I can't handle the thought of something suffering because of me or anyone else, and being forced into that situation is immoral and extremely evil.
Duckie

[thereismore]

39. Sure. Miracles happen quite often in their sick made-up world of christian fairy tales. nt

[MountainLaurel]

29. A good friend experienced something similar

Except she was much farther along when the problem was discovered (thanks to lack of health insurance). Because the public hospital wouldn't deal with such a high-risk case, she was referred to a local children's hospital where the specialist treated her like trash and saw her maybe twice in the 2 days she labored to birth a fetus that died immediately after birth. Laws like this make me want to just scream at the top of my lungs.

[usregimechange]

31. Will this law be struck down any time soon? Anyone know?

[Maru Kitteh]

37. K&R.

This is just sickening.

[Ilsa]

38. What a tragic story. That fetus was forced

to develop until the pain of dying became more real, more excruciating for the baby, the medical staff, and the parents and relatives. And the anti-choice extremists seem to think this horrible situation, with two parents watching their baby die, is okay. They don't realize the trauma that something like this creates. Or that the mother has been delayed in her healing from this pregnancy before she can try again, if she would ever want to try again.

I wish the parents had been able to go to a state with a more compassionate termination law. I'm not sure why they didn't.