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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 10:57 PM
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A Water Message
Mid-Winter Ceremony

Aga-Gesta (13 Strings of Wampum/ 13 Moons)


The Whole year begins:
Look! There is snow on the ground.
Look! There are our tracks.
We walk a little further …..
Look! The snow is gone.
We walk a little further …..
Look! The Maple Tree grows leaves.
The Plants are planted.
The Water runs from the top of the hills.
It becomes medicine.




Back in 1993, Chief Paul Waterman, of the Onondaga Nation's Turtle Clan, gave me permission to use the lyrics to this song in an article I was being interviewed for. A reporter from a regional newspaper wanted to write about the winter ceremonies of different cultural groups within the United States. She asked me about the Mid-Winter Festival's ceremonies, which remain –despite a couple of anthropologists sincere efforts – among the most secret of the ceremonies of the Haudenosaunee, or Six Nations Iroquois Confederacy.

This morning, on a thread started by Friend Jackpine Radical, I responded with a post about the tiny streams of water that were running on my property, which I noticed as I took my dogs outside. They connect into larger streams, which run through some of my woods, into the creek. From my house, I can hear that creek's waterfalls. I live in an area that the still goes by the Iroquois' “place-name,” which translates to “where the voice of the water sings.” Chief Waterman and I spent many hours, sitting quietly, and listening to the water.

What I wrote on JPR's thread also reminded me of Senator Robert Kennedy's famous quote, from a speech he delivered in South Africa, in which he told his audience of oppressed people that no matter how small their contribution might be, that it added to an energy force that, like water, could bring down the strongest walls of injustice. And so it is today: that message is as vital in the USA today, as in South Africa, in 1966.





There have also been a couple of interesting threads recently, which accurately identified much of the behavior of the obscenely wealthy in this nation to “compulsive hoarding disorder.” I consider that sick behavior to be the one of the most entrenched walls of injustice in our society.

I was thinking about these discussions from the Democratic Underground today, as I took the photographs which I am posting on this thread. Now, sometimes when I am physically ill, as I am today, thoughts that connect in my mind may not make sense to other people who are functioning with a full deck. But bear with me.



The song I quoted is from ancient times. It dates back to when people in the northeast had gone from what is called “hunting and gathering,” to “agrarian” times. This is when there was a great change in the dynamics in society. Instead of men supplying most of the food, it was the women's gardens that allowed for a more sedentary way of life. More, there was generally a surplus of food. This allows for the individual community to have more trade with other communities. Also, it allows for a stratification in society: not every female gardens (especially not full-time), nor does male hunt full-time. (I am, of course, simplifying a topic that I love to discuss in far greater detail.)

In order to avoid the problems with hierarchy that were present in other cultures, including in Meso-America and the Ohio and Mississippi River valleys, the Haudenosaunee had a matriarchal society. This means that family lines were made from the women's side. It did not diminish the father's side of the family. In a moment, we will discuss some of the positive and negative potentials of both matriarchal and patriarchal societies.

One point that is important, though, is that matriarchal cultures tend to be matricentric. This means that while in some matriarchal cultures, women were dominant, in most, the political-social power was held equally between male and female adults. Hence, for example, the Haudenosaunee sachems were men, it was the Clan Mothers who appointed them to the Council, and who could remove them. Also, the Clan Mothers, not the Chiefs, could declare war.



Paraphrasing from Erich Fromm's 1955 classic “The Sane Society,” the positive aspects of matriarchal society are: an affirmation of life; freedom; a deep connection with the natural world; and equality. The negative aspects are: being bound to nature (blood and soil); a lack of individuality; and limitations on developing areas of intellectual pursuits.

Again from Fromm, the positive aspects of patriarchal culture are: reason;discipline; conscience; and individualism. The negatives are: hierarchy; inequality; oppression; and submission. (Many readers will recognize the influence of Bachofen on Fromm's thinking.)

A matricentric culture has, I believe, a much greater potential to harness the best postentials of both the male and female aspects of humanity. Likewise, as history shows, it is possible for the combined negatives to gather a synergistic force and produce horrors such as Nazism and fascism.

Clearly, I am not referring to processes that divide and pit people against one another. There's too much of that in society, and indeed, it is too often reflected in discussions on this forum. We need to move towards equality, without mistaking that for an exactness between all people. And I'm not speaking about just men and women. We are all equal, yet unique. That is the miracle of life. You are a unique miracle; it's just that many of us have been lied to and crushed for so long, that we do not recognize this simple yet profound Truth.



Yet when we have that realization break through the layers of denial, the filth of oppression, and the lies of inequality that have been injected into our conscious and subconscious minds, a power comes forth. We saw that in South Africa; we saw it take hold in Egypt; and we are seeing it in Wisconsin. But it is not limited to those geographic locations. Today, it is a force taking hold across America.

Tuesday night, I will be attending a government meeting about “hydro-fracking,” a process that destroys the environment in order to gather natural gas. Not all the people who are in favor of the process are “bad.” Many are simply desperate for income, and ignorant of the dangers.

Thursday night, I will again travel to Sidney, NY, the town that became famous for the Supervisor and Town Board's effort to desecrate a Muslim cemetery. Also this week, I will be involved in campaigning for a local school board seat; and helping run a couple area political campaigns. In my spare time, I'll be writing and calling government officials at the local, state, and national level; and completing some “letters-to-the-editor” of local and regional newspapers.

These are my tiny, personal contributions. They are but a trickle on a back lawn. But they will run down that lawn, perhaps in some ditch for a bit. But that ditch isn't the end. Those efforts will unite with trickles from other individual efforts, and then will build up to where they flow from that ditch through some woods, to a powerful creek.

And then, that Voice of the Water force will be heard.

Come and join in this effort.

Your friend,
H2O Man



“But let justice flow like a river, and mercy like an unfailing stream.” – Amos 5:24
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 11:07 PM
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1. This post of yours is inspiring to me in many ways.
Edited on Sun Mar-06-11 11:24 PM by stevedeshazer
First, it is timely in a personal way. Today, we laid to rest the body (not the spirit) of my wife's sister.

Second, I've noticed the spring flood beginning here, too.

Trickles and dribbles all run together into a mighty stream, right?

Let's go....
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 11:59 AM
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33. I am
sorry to hear of your family's loss. But I love the part about her spirit.
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FarLeftRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 11:21 PM
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2. What is the power of water?
That was the question posed to me, interestingly enough in a 5th Grade CCD class.

Of course I didn't know the answer... but now some 41 years later, I can say that I do know the answer and my experiences have certainly helped me.

I live far north of you in the Adirondacks. If I weren't tied up with care giving to my elderly father, I'd join you in a heartbeat.

You have my support in spirit.

Good luck, my friend.

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 12:35 PM
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36. Right.
I remember when I was a little boy. My family had a small farm; we were poor, and our gardens and cows were our food source. While other kids in our rural neighborhood were playing tag, hide-n-seek, or ball, I was working in the fields. (Not much fun for socialization, but mighty good for boxing.)

I used to spend some time kicking back on the hill, and watching the little springs running. Everything below them turned green faster than the rest of the pasture. I knew that water was life. (Also, that I needed to repair enough fence so my father didn't know I was sitting back while he was at work.)

Probably a lot of DUers grew up in urban areas. Their experiences would therefore be a lot different than mine. But I always had a connection with water, and found the spring-time fascinating.
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kenichol Donating Member (198 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 03:31 PM
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41. Southern NM, our creek water is 'owned' by the city, dry many summers
When I bought my land 33 years ago, the creek ran through it all year long. Small, shallow creek, but running water. I knew then, but couldn't imagine what it really meant, that the local city of Alamogordo 'owns' the water. Nearly 10 years ago, they dammed up the well-head and diverted the water to a pipe so that now, the creek is 100% dry part/most of most/some summers...I guess it will be diverted 100% of the time when the city experiences more development.

If the water is ever privatized, then the city of Alamogordo & my canyon could dry up as the water would get more profit in El Paso, Albuquerque...even Las Vegas or Phoenix.

Now I get Matthew 25 when Jesus talks about giving water to the thirsty.
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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 11:23 PM
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3. K&R
I think we could be great friends, and that you have a lot to teach me.

I just...it's so hard to not see people who are for destroying the planet as "bad", you know? But I'm working on it. Trying to understand the difference between ignorance and evil. One of those can be fixed.

I saw this quote from LOTR in another thread on here, and it gave me chills.


'Begone foul dwimmerlaik, lord of carrion! Leave the dead in peace!'

A cold voice answered: 'Come not between the Nazgul and his prey! Or he will not slay thee in thy turn. He will bear thee away to the houses of lamentation, beyond all darkness, where thy flesh shall be devoured, and thy shriveled mind be left naked to the Lidless Eye.'

A sword rang as it was drawn. 'Do what you will; but I will hinder it, if I may.'

'Hinder me? Thou fool. No living man may hinder me!'

Then Merry heard of all sounds in that hour the strangest. It seemed that Dernhelm laughed, and the clear voice was like the ring of steel. 'But no living man am I! You look upon a woman! Eowyn I am, Eomund's daughter. You stand between me and my lord and kin. Begone, if you be not deathless! For living or dark undead, I will smite you if you touch him.'


I'm female, and I've always identified with Eowyn.

And the water metaphor - I wrote a Sims story that heavily featured the waterfall in the game. And over the course of the story, that waterfall came to represent all that is. All the individual particles of water coming together into a great crashing force and demanding justice.

So yes - this post spoke to me. Thank you.

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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 02:06 AM
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9. Thank you for quoting one of my favorite scenes from LOTR.
I've always identified with Eowyn also.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 02:06 AM
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10. Self-delete (duplicate)
Edited on Mon Mar-07-11 02:10 AM by Raksha
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 12:37 PM
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37. Beautiful.
Thank you.

And yes, we are great friends, with much to teach each other. That is one of the best things about this forum -- how it connects people by way of ideas.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 11:24 PM
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4. k&r
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The Traveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 11:43 PM
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5. You remain
one of my favorite writers here. Thanks for this post ... it reinforces something I heard this week, and I give you an excerpt from Tim DeChristopher's speech now:


No one ever told us that this battle would be easy. No one ever told us that we wouldn't have to make sacrifices. We knew that when we started this fight.

Every wave on the ocean that has ever risen up and refused to lay back down has been dashed on the shore, but it is the very purpose of a wave to rise up, because once it rises up above the horizon it finally has the perspective to see that it's not just a wave, that it's a part of a mighty ocean. And the sharpest rock on the wildest shore can never break that ocean apart, they can never wear that ocean down, because it's the ocean that shapes the shore.


I would join you ...

Trav
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 11:53 PM
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6. K&R.
First, I am praying that tomorrow finds you with improved health.

Second, the photographs are beautiful. There is a powerful serenity in them that definitely inspires.

Third, I do believe that Wisconsin has been the opening salvo. We are now seeing a potential recall effort underway against Jan Brewer in Arizona. I've now personally met one of the Wisconsin 14 and a member of the Indy runaways as well. Their words have provided much encouragement to me. Sometimes it seems otherwise, but there really are elected officials who do try to support the working class citizens of this country. From what I can understand, such patriots feel as if they are all alone and for some, it is easier to go along to get along rather than make waves.

We need more Wisconsin 14s in this country, especially on the national level. We need more RFKs, people who can acknowledge that they may have started off sailing in the wrong direction on some issues, but that they have now righted the ship and are plotting a course that will empower everyone to make their contribution towards making this a fair and free nation.
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 12:00 AM
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7. k&r nt
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handmade34 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 01:14 AM
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8. water ohhh
I wish you good health and power in your travels... your post is thought provoking and inspiring.

I used to dream of being immersed when I was in need of healing...
The power of water is immense; I watched helpless once as my young son was almost swept away by the power of a roaring brook.
I watched as an experienced dowser found the healthy spring that supplies my house with a never ending supply.



"A man of wisdom delights in water" -Confucius


"From a drop of water a logician could infer the possibility of an Atlantic or a Niagara without having seen or heard of one or the other. So all life is a great chain..." -Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 02:09 AM
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11. K & R - a truly inspired post. Beautiful pictures too.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 04:09 AM
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12. Eloquent and inspiring. Thank you. :) K&R n/t
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 04:23 AM
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13. Beautiful - and just what i needed to read to soothe my mind as I try to go back to sleep.
Thank you. K&R
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 05:55 AM
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14. Recommended.
The more people get involved, the bigger the roar. Good luck in those endeavors.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 06:04 AM
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15. This morning,
when I was preparing to bring Mugsey out, I had difficulty opening the screen door. There is a huge pile of froozen water everywhere outside. Large storm throughout the afternoon, evening, and night.

Lots of cars off the road when I went to pick up my daughter & foreign exchange student "daughter" last night. No evidence of any travel now. All the area schools are closed. I'll have to re-schedule the morning medical appointment.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 07:07 AM
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18. Be careful out there


on all that ice if you do venture out.

Ah, sometimes I really miss NY.



But then I just peeked out the window and no snow here and I can get in a little gardening, and I am not so homesick :P

Wonderful OP.

Do what you can with what you've got where you are.

If everyone makes an effort, it all adds up...

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 07:38 AM
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21. Today is a
letter-writing/phone call day.

Our driveway is part of an old turnpike. When I took the second dog out, something in the distance had caught his attention. So we walked towards the highway. A snowplow was stuck, waiting for another to pull it out. All the roads are closed, a few counties are "shut down," no school for the kids.
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 06:31 AM
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16. Thought provoking! k&r
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 06:35 AM
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17. Your thoughts always make sense to me
Thanks for this beautiful thread.
Rec
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 07:12 AM
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19. All I can say is
"Thank you" - on so many levels, thanks to you and all who have so thoughtfully replied, sharing their own stories. Much needed today.

May all be blessed and well.
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a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 07:20 AM
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20. I always loved this time of year...
growing up in the Northeast. I remember driving through central NY with a boyfriend once, and seeing the power of one of the rivers, full to the brim with snowmelt. It was beautiful.
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hulka38 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 07:45 AM
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22. Wow!
Great message, nicely done.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 08:06 AM
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23. beautiful worded. rec'd
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 08:41 AM
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24. Thank you!
Beautiful idea. We all contribute to the flow of events.
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 09:00 AM
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25. K&R
Sending hopes and love for healing my friend.

Thank you for this. :hug:
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raouldukelives Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 09:14 AM
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26. K&R
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 09:57 AM
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27. Wisconsin...A Huge Drop Of Water On An Increasingly Insignificant Stone
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 10:01 AM
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28. thank you much. you are a good teacher


hugs
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 10:57 AM
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29. AHA!!!
Yet again, something you've posted resonates with me!

Here's an observation I hope you'll consider and incorporate: our current system of public education has been warped into a social stratification device, wherein the majority of our children are repeatedly told they have 'average or below average' intellects. This is a massive psychic wound, and one we seldom contemplate. I have to spend the first four or five of my college algebra sessions encouraging students to acknowledge and accept that they ALL have fully functional, agile minds, and that they ALL can play math (the oldest 'game' we humans have created). I share with them that contemporary research on 'IQ' tests shows that if test subjects are not constrained by an arbitrarily imposed time limit, almost all of them score 'near genius' on the tests. I try not to get emotional when I see these young adults struggling with the knowledge that they've been fed an egregious lie about their academic acumen for most of their educational careers.

I guess I'm already another drop of water in our species' burgeoning torrent of change.
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VoteProgressive Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 11:07 AM
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30. Nice!
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maxpower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 11:09 AM
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31. As always
Your posts are the best. Always well thought out and very wise.

Peace,
Max
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 11:11 AM
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32. Poetic.
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SalviaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 12:10 PM
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34. Inspiring! Your pictures really tell the story.
Recommend!
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 12:35 PM
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35. Lovely and dream inducing...
I think of the lyric by Brazilian composer Carlos Antonio Jobim, The Waters of March. Link to his own English version and the original http://www.des.emory.edu/mfp/waters.html
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 12:44 PM
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38. Beautiful, H20 Man.
Beautiful words...and your pictures speak volumes....like the beginnings of a spring thaw...trickles into torrents..so are we finally waking up,a trickle at a time, to the truth of who we really are and what's really important in our lives. Like water, the truth rushes on, changing us and leaving in its wake an entirely new vision.

The Voice of Water speaks!

Blessings,
DR
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 01:55 PM
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39. So beautiful! K&R'd.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 02:24 PM
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40. K&R!
Beautiful post!

Thanks! :thumbsup:
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Jokinomx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 04:43 PM
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42.  A powerful message...
We each choose to be where we are......Thank you for choosing this time and place.

I am honored to walk on the same ground as you my Brother.

May Peace follow you wherever you tread!

:toast:
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