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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 07:34 AM
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The Second World War was paid for by the Tooth Fairy
At least that's what the so-called "deficit hawks" and anti-FDR folks seem to believe. They insist that New Deal policies made the Depression worse, and that it was only entry into WW II that dropped unemployment significantly. The government, of course, could not have possibly funded the war.

During that period of close to full employment, there were price controls, rationing of nylon, meat, gasoline and many other goods, and of course very high taxes.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 08:14 AM
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1. you realize there is at least two generations that...
have`t a clue about life during ww2. i`m 64 so i grew up with stories about my family during the depression and ww2. hell i bet most people in the usa have`t seen or know nothing about the ration books.

come to think of it ..i wonder if my parents old books are still good?
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 11:08 AM
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7. WOW, do you still have them?
I'd LOVE to see an image of those ration books.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 11:23 AM
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10. Here's some images:
http://blujay.com/item/WW-II-WAR-RATION-STAMP-BOOK-CONTAINS-226-STAMPS-WORLD-WAR-2-CALIFORNIA-FREE-SHIPPING-7220000-2670629

I have a couple of my Grandma's ration books somewhere down in my basement,haven't looked at them in years.
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 04:17 PM
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14. OMG those are awesome.
We must never forget the sacrifices that generation made.
What a marvelous reminder.

Thank you!
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 05:24 PM
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15. yup...
i have no way to post images at this time
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 08:52 AM
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2. We may need to ration again
to ensure that the rich have unlimited access to all the goodies.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 09:06 AM
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3. FDR instituted a WAR TAX. .
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 11:11 AM
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8. I always said...
The "Bush" tax cuts SHOULD have been set to expire after X years (was it 8? or 10?) OR when we stopped running a SURPLUS.

I'd bet a LARGE sum of money we'd NEVER have gone to war if it meant the uber-wealthy had to contribute even one thin dime to the cause.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 11:27 AM
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11. ...and some private companies - such as Bell Telephone-kept CHARGING
customers a WWII tax on each month's phone bill (Excise tax) till the 1980's, IIRC...it went right into the company's profits.
Link:

http://iret.org/pub/BLTN-74.PDF


mark
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 10:14 AM
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4. & American workers were the arsenal of defense.
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WatsonT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 10:29 AM
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5. We also racked up considerable debt during that time
So it wasn't entirely funded by taxes.


Nor would people tolerate rationing today (or sending our youth off to fight and die abroad).
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Liberal Gramma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 10:49 AM
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6. Interesting how the debt climbs up during the reign of the deficit hawks,
and back down under the rule of the party reputed to be big spenders.
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WatsonT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 01:54 PM
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13. Well to be fair
it's based on a percentage of the GDP. So you could still grow the debt considerably but as long as the economy is growing even slightly faster it would appear that you are decreasing the debt on this graph.
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reformist2 Donating Member (998 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 11:18 AM
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9. GOP views on the economics of the FDR years are contradictory.
Edited on Mon Mar-07-11 11:19 AM by reformist2
They always say that FDR's Keynesian policies did nothing to help the people, or that it even prolonged the depression. But then say that it took WWII, essentially a super-sized Keynesian program, to get us out of the depression. So they oppose small Keynesian programs, but support big ones? Or maybe it's peaceful programs that don't work - it's only when the spending program kills people that it makes the economy recover?
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 07:49 PM
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16. Yep. You can really twist them into knots on this n/t
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 11:32 AM
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12. At the height of the depression, around '32, unemployment was at 25%
in 1940, unemployment stood at 14%.

FDR's policies were working. The war accelerated it, that's all.

But if there were no war, unemployment would have eventually settled out.
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