This attack Libya spin is fucking crazy

[malaise]

Stay out of Libya Obama


That is all

[virgogal]

1. + 1

[spanone]

2. 'no fly zone' has to be enforced.....= war

[yurbud]

3. we must destroy Libya to save it.

:sarcasm:

[tabatha]

4. Libya is being destroyed by Gaddafi.

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lysssandros‎ RT @Tripolitanian: #Gaddafi forces are literally burning the city of #Zawya - I expect the death toll to be shocking #Libya
Twitter - 1 minute ago
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PsychoticLynx‎ RT @LibyaInMe: Uncle's friend in Zawiya: They are attacking everyone and everything...It's a massacre unlike others :( #libya #feb17
Twitter - 1 minute ago
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bintlibya‎ Is this not the time for something to be done or should we wait until the city of #Zawya #Libya is nothing but rubble and then lament


Tripolitanian‎ I apologize for the outburst, but I think Libyans are ready to accept limited foreign aid - they've paid a heavy price so far. #Libya

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Arab League nations back no-fly zone in Libya, ministers say - Reuters

[Wait Wut]

25. My God.

I don't know how to feel about this. It isn't "our" fight, but do we sit back and watch? If Qaddafi wins this, what will the punishment be for the remaining citizens?

This "no-fly" thing sounds like a razor's edge. I think if we commit to it we've agreed to another war. The thought of it makes me sick, but...is it the only answer besides turning our backs?

[TBF]

5. Do you think gas grows in trees?

must protect ... must protect ... must protect

:patriot:

[tabatha]

8. Do you think people should be massacred and nothing be done

like Rwanda?

[TBF]

24. Build your straw hut elsewhere. nt

[tabatha]

27. Are you a DU moderator or owner?

If not, then you have no right to tell me that I cannot my express my opinion here. And if my opinion is against DU rules, then a moderator will let me know.

[TBF]

28. Fine, I'll rephrase: "I'm not interested in the straw huts you are selling". nt

[tabatha]

29. Well, why waste the typing.

[speltwon]

6. I agree. And if it must be done (not saying it must be)

ANYBODY but us. Let somebody else do it. We have done our share of policing for the time being, thanksverymuch

[tabatha]

9. It would be NATO if anything were done.

[Hangingon]

11. NATO is usually us.

[WolfoftheWild]

7. we don't have to kill Gadhafi. but we should stop him from bombing people.

[Schema Thing]

10. naw, G got to get got.

NATO, Arab League, Obama, Hair Club for Men all got to help make sure he goes.

[TahitiNut]

12. The folks pushing for it won't PAY for it and won't SERVE.

Funny how it's usually the cowards who want others to die for "the cause."

:patriot:

[Badfish]

13. I disagree.

we should set up a no fly zone and then bomb any threatening sites , we should then sit back and wait for AJ to start showing the dead bodies of women and children on TV's across the middle east so we can kill this grass roots movement that has swept some arab nations and rally the people behind their respectful dictators.. Enough with democracy and freedom already.

Fuel the planes boys...

[David__77]

14. Agree.

No intervention, and pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan. This is for the Libyans to decide without US interference. The US always fucks up everywhere: Somalia, Haiti, everywhere.

[Rebubula]

19. To be fair...

...it ain't like Somalia or Haiti were bustling, peaceful economies prior to our 'help'

Certainly, the US likes to try and mold the domestic policy and usually screws it up. Plus, I agree that we need to get the heck out of Iraq and Afghanistan.

[BumRushDaShow]

15. They HAVE to have something to report

Egypt is "done", the rest of the "Middle East" is going through their own internal turmoil with "uninteresting" mixed results, and they MUST command those eyeballs while the fascist repuke agenda gets rammed through, state by state, without "anyone" else knowing about it... Otherwise by golly the proles will rebel!

[rwenos]

16. You Are Oversimplifying

Until we secure alternate energy, we as a nation will have to play politics in the ME. Khaddafi has never done anything to attract our sympathy. Remember LOCKERBIE? Tell the Americans who lost loved ones there why we should stay out of Khaddafi's efforts to crush his opposition.

The world is a complex place, and local ME politics are complex. We have military options other than invasion -- the most logical being the imposition of a "no fly" zone and a naval blockade. The Enterprise battle group is steaming from the Red Sea to the Eastern Mediterranean, I believe.

Nobody wants to use the military. But Khaddafi does not merit our sympathy. And it seems like his opposition merits our support. American military power exists to project American democratic values, doesn't it?

[spanone]

21. i thought our military existed to protect us.

project american values?

[bvar22]

30. WTF???

"American military power exists to project American democratic values, doesn't it?"
Where did THAT come from?
The military exist to defend America....nothing more.

Attraction would work better to project "American Values" than bombs.
Maybe we should try that.

[eridani]

32. Bullshit. Our military exists to make the world safe for dollar a day labor.

However, from what I read, the Libyan resistance is fine with a no-fly zone--they just don't want any foreigh rroops on their soil, period.

[malaise]

33. Send that to the Brits

who apparently place BP above all others

[marmar]

39. "American military power exists to project American democratic values, doesn't it?"

And Superman really flies around in a blue suit saving cats from trees.

[uppityperson]

17. Reading what is happening is heartbreaking. I agree with you

the no-fly zone needs to be enforced but USA needs to stay out of Libya

[Kurovski]

18. The idea has me really, really nervous.

And I'm already high strung.

[Mz Pip]

20. How are we supposed to pay for this one?

More tax cuts?

I really don't want Libya to turn into a killing field but the rest of the international community has to step up and bear some of the burden.

[pampango]

35. "the international community has to step up". Agreed. The UN has the primary responsibility here.

Let the Security Council take responsibility for this. If Russia or China block action (as they have indicated they might), they will be responsible for what happens in Libya and later in other countries that unleash their militaries on civilians rising up against dictators.

[Uzybone]

22. Stay the fuck out

the usual media whiners are starting to beat the drums of war. From the left its "Gaddhafi is killing his people!!!" from the right its "We need to defend freedon".

Fuck no.

Let the Africans, North Africans and Mediterranean countries get in there first.

[gratuitous]

23. Yup

The United States kind of has a credibility problem right now in a lot of the rest of the world. Any assistance we render will be used as a pretext to taint whoever or whatever comes after Khaddafi ("Puppet of the American empire!"). This is, at root, an internal Libyan affair, and the blood of the Libyan people belongs on the hands of Khaddafi and his supporters. After he is gone, it will be up to the Libyan people to determine the guilt and punishment of those who killed their countrymen.

If the U.S. would like to retrieve some of its credibility, and lend a voice to freedom-loving people around the globe in support of their right to self-determination, we should investigate our own recent past and bring charges as appropriate for crimes against humanity. Otherwise, we're self-important fuckheads trying to dictate standards to other people that we're not willing to live up to ourselves. We deserve to be ignored, at the very least.

[tomg]

26. This would seem to be where

a multi-national UN peacekeeping force would be needed, preferably with that force under the command of a primarily Islamic nation.

[girl gone mad]

31. k & r

[Distant Observer]

34. Attitute on Libya is not based of facts but a long history of anti-Ghadaffi info

Those who want to attack should just find a good book on the history of Libya and chill.

Ghadaffi is weird, for the western perspective, but has never ruled as the monster that is being depicted, and he is not "destroying" the opposition held towns the way we laid waste to places like fallujah in Iraq.

[Solly Mack]

36. Has anyone asked the people of Libya what they want?

I'm not saying they don't want/need some form of help - help..not invasion, not occupation, not an "interim government" set up by America...but I am asking - has anyone even bothered to ask the people of Libya what they want from foreign governments?

[Johnny_dollar]

37. I am amazed by the moralists...

...who exclaim, "We have to do something to stop the (slaughter/repression/exploitation, etc.) in divers places, but blithely ignore the same slaughter/repression/exploitation/kleptomania in Palestine.

LBJ used to call it "moral double-bookkeeping."

[Overseas]

38. K&R! //nt