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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 07:45 AM
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Man, I'd explode if I were a woman in China.
I was just watching a local story on international women's day and "in celebration" of it they showed a "housewives skills competition" in Chongqing, a fashion show for the army women in Najing and a cook-off in Shandong. Also, it was noted the women built all the props themselves! How cute!

Meanwhile mass demonstrations in Korea, Manila...etc for women's rights.
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inademv Donating Member (738 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 07:54 AM
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1. You think that the Chinese
have taken seriously the lessons from most humanist philosophers when they propose that the best way to improve ones culture, society, and economy is to empower women? Or is it just for show?
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 08:15 AM
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4. It's complicated
Basically the communists realize by being too sexist they were losing half their work force. So, they gave women the idea of being empowered by letting them push hoes and build houses, but as far as social equality.... not happening. Above communism here is a 5,000 year old way of doing things (ANd I'd like to add it's fucked up and stupid)
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inademv Donating Member (738 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 09:45 AM
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6. so mostly just disingenuous?
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 10:23 AM
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8. Oh, total bunk!
Women here have it pretty rough, in my opinion
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Ohio Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 07:58 AM
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2. Wow...
I know next to nothing about what it's like in China but for some reason I did not think women were treated like that there. No idea why I thought that but I did... Thats awful.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 08:12 AM
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3. I think it's more the lack of understanding ANYTHING that Chinese media/government seem to practice
THey just don't get it. For instance they SAY racism doesn't exist here, but it's THEEE most racist place I've ever been. They seem to think if it's not racism through law it's not racism.
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whosinpower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 09:24 AM
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5. Saudi Arabia is worse nt
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 10:14 AM
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7. Not as bad as Oppressistan
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whosinpower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 01:56 PM
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11. I disagree
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women's_rights_in_Saudi_Arabia

snip - In 2008 Khamisa Mohammad Sawadi, a 75-year-old woman, was sentenced to 40 lashes and imprisonment for allowing a man to deliver bread to her directly in her home. Sawadi, a non-citizen, was deported.<16><52>

snip - In order to reduce the difficulties of strict sex segregation in modern life, some clerics issued a fatwa encouraging women to provide breast milk to any man with whom she comes into regular contact. Abdel Mohsen Obeikan, a renowned Islamic scholar, an adviser to the royal court and consultant to the Ministry of Justice, said in 2010: "The man should take the milk, but not directly from the breast of the woman. He should drink it and then becomes a relative of the family, a fact that allows him to come in contact with the women without breaking Islam's rules about mixing."<53> Breast milk kinship is indeed considered to be as good as a blood relationship in Islam and this way, for example foreign drivers can mix freely with all members of the family without breaking the Islamic rule which does not allow mixing of genders.<53> Another cleric disagreed, saying the man should take the milk straight from her breast. The issue moved one female Saudi blogger to ridicule: "The whole issue just shows how clueless men are. All this back and forth between sheiks and not one bothers to ask a woman if it's logical, let alone possible to breastfeed a grown man five fulfilling breast milk meals. Moreover, the thought of a huge hairy face at a woman's breast does not evoke motherly or even brotherly feelings.

Read the whole thing if you are interested - even I did not hear of these breast milk sons....

I maintain that the ROOTS of sharia law come out of Saudi Arabia.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 08:19 PM
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12. Oppresisstsan isn't a real place.
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whosinpower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-11 12:03 PM
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14. I assumed you were talking of Afghanistan - nt.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 11:20 AM
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9. If I didn't have teh Google and innate curiosity I'd have never known it was international women's
day. Haven't heard so much as a peep about it here in the US.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 12:07 PM
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10. Seems like the Chinese educate their women though.
Yes Chinese women like fashion and cooking and decorating. Just like American women. They also get CPA's, MBA's, PhDs... China is not a uniform place and has conflicting cultural values due to the conflict between the communist and the more standard Confucius philosophy. However you shouldn't be mistaken that women are not getting educated there and are not actively a part of China's highly skilled labor force.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 08:24 PM
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13. They are part of the skilled labour force, yes, but they also deal with domestic abuse
Edited on Tue Mar-08-11 08:25 PM by HEyHEY
And other forms of second class citizenry on a much more rampant scale than developed nations. Excerpt for one region which is one of the world's only matriarichal societies.

As well, by and large the women aren't educated as much as the men. Maybe in the more developed areas, yes. But people forget most of China isn't developed.
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