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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-11 01:16 PM
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Help me fight RW trolls re: Koch donation to cancer center.
I recall reading on here about some strings attached to this donation, or some cover-up of their wrong-doing. I could use some help finding it to counter the Koch-paid trolls now extolling Koch virtues on the jsonline.com blogs. They're claiming a hundred million dollars of benevolence.

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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-11 01:21 PM
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1. The Kochs do, in fact, donate a lot to charities and arts organizations.
But that doesn't mean they aren't up to a lot of evil stuff as well. They have so damn much money that they can afford to contribute generously to charities, which makes them look good and reduces their taxes. Those contributions are, of course, tax-deductible.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-11 01:22 PM
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2. We're concerned about the bad he does.
It's great if he gives to cancer centers. But it doesn't undo the bad he's done with his political manipulations.

There are probably lots of bad people in history who liked children and puppies. There are probably some that gave to charities. None of that undoes the evil they've done.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-11 01:26 PM
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3. David has prostrate cancer. Is that what you mean?
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-11 01:27 PM
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4. On one hand he pollutes the earth and gives cancer.
So to clear his conscience, he gives to these organizations. Lots of rich people do it. That doesn't mean it's right in the first place. Dontcha know that all those chemicals, as well as the oil itself in his refineries have cancer-causing agents? Then there are the fertilizer plants.
Check out the wiki here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_Industries
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-11 01:29 PM
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5. David Koch only started donating to cancer research after he himself was diagnosed with cancer.
At the same time, the Kochs have fought regulation of formaldehyde, a known carcinogen, because their companies produce a lot of it.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer

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Koch’s corporate and political roles, however, may pose conflicts of interest. For example, at the same time that David Koch has been casting himself as a champion in the fight against cancer, Koch Industries has been lobbying to prevent the E.P.A. from classifying formaldehyde, which the company produces in great quantities, as a “known carcinogen” in humans.

Scientists have long known that formaldehyde causes cancer in rats, and several major scientific studies have concluded that formaldehyde causes cancer in human beings—including one published last year by the National Cancer Institute, on whose advisory board Koch sits. The study tracked twenty-five thousand patients for an average of forty years; subjects exposed to higher amounts of formaldehyde had significantly higher rates of leukemia. These results helped lead an expert panel within the National Institutes of Health to conclude that formaldehyde should be categorized as a known carcinogen, and be strictly controlled by the government. Corporations have resisted regulations on formaldehyde for decades, however, and Koch Industries has been a large funder of members of Congress who have stymied the E.P.A., requiring it to defer new regulations until more studies are completed.

Koch Industries became a major producer of the chemical in 2005, after it bought Georgia-Pacific, the paper and wood-products company, for twenty-one billion dollars. Georgia-Pacific manufactures formaldehyde in its chemical division, and uses it to produce various wood products, such as plywood and laminates. Its annual production capacity for formaldehyde is 2.2 billion pounds. Last December, Traylor Champion, Georgia-Pacific’s vice-president of environmental affairs, sent a formal letter of protest to federal health authorities. He wrote that the company “strongly disagrees” with the N.I.H. panel’s conclusion that formaldehyde should be treated as a known human carcinogen. David Koch did not recuse himself from the National Cancer Advisory Board, or divest himself of company stock, while his company was directly lobbying the government to keep formaldehyde on the market. (A board spokesperson said that the issue of formaldehyde had not come up.)

James Huff, an associate director at the National Institute for Environmental Health Sciences, a division of the N.I.H., told me that it was “disgusting” for Koch to be serving on the National Cancer Advisory Board: “It’s just not good for public health. Vested interests should not be on the board.” He went on, “Those boards are very important. They’re very influential as to whether N.C.I. goes into formaldehyde or not. Billions of dollars are involved in formaldehyde.”



Read more http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer#ixzz1G81IEdt1
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-11 01:55 PM
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9. Thank you !!!!!!!
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-11 01:41 PM
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7. That could possibly be true, Bill Gates gives billions to help fight
Edited on Wed Mar-09-11 01:42 PM by Rex
poverty...yet is going to end up helping destroy public education in America. Another big difference imo is that Gates thinks he is doing the right thing, the Koch brother know what they do is straight up political subterfuge and want to take over the country politically for their own monetary gain. Bill just wants to build a better teacher, maybe with a few updates and service packs. Both have bad ideas, but one wants to help people, while the other wants to hurt people.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-11 01:45 PM
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8. My reply would be "So What? Of course he is going to make charitable donations. It is a tax
deduction." I would then follow up with all of the non-profit organizations that YOU donate to and say that just because you donate doesn't give you the right to be a political operative and pay people to fight democracy.

If they talk about the amount he donated, well duh. With all the millions they make they need to make huge contributions for tax purposes.

That's the angle I would use.
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-11 03:30 PM
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10. Patterns appear. n/t
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