On Lawrence O's show: Rethug plan is to tie Obama to "radicals" as opposed to "American values"

[flamingdem]

Howard Fineman point: Repukes want Obama leading in WI so they can tear him down later in 2012.

Rethugs would capitalize on any violence, big time.

[msongs]

1. someday Obama is gonna have to stand for something nt

[flamingdem]

2. Someday but not now unless he wants to walk into a trap nt

[fascisthunter]

6. seems like everything is a possible trap

[villager]

7. Yes, "not now!" Gotta keep that powder dry!

n/t

[Bluebear]

10. "Someday but not now" - wow. You're right. Best to keep walking with Jeb Bush.

So he doesn't 'fall into a trap!'

[Raine]

18. Not now, not yesterday, not tomorrow

basically not ever, yeah that will work. :sarcasm: When you won't stand for something, you stand for nothing, absolutely no profiles in courage here. :-(

[tallahasseedem]

3. Unfortunately...

I see this plan working. They have been preparing this for a while and just when we thought that maybe our side could get it right...BAM! Fineman made perfect sense.

[flamingdem]

9. This plan is years in the making, the Koch Brothers are surely involved nt

[emulatorloo]

16. Rove Crossroads is certainly at the center. And they get to spend unlimited money

marketing this.

[Lucky 13]

4. Yeah Obama doesn't want to be associated with crazy radicals like teachers, firemen or cops

Might hurt his rep with Wall Street.

[emulatorloo]

12. That is not what Fineman said, He is talking about Big Gun GOP strategists

He said that this is the Big Gun GOP strategy with this move by Walker

- they want protesters in Wisconsin to "OverReact" (violence?)
- they want Obama front and center in the story so they can campaign against SOCIALIST SATANIC OBAMA

You can see the whole strategy outlined in the Karl Rove ad Crossroads put out today

- union workers make more money than you
- Dem senators are radical and anti-democratic
- Unions are responsible for getting the great SATAN OBAMA elected.

At some point DU needs to wake up to what is going on with the Koch Brothers, Rove, etc etc rather that just having ME TOO I HATE OBAMA reactions.

[Lucky 13]

17. I am tired of the fucking politicking. Know what the best strategy is? Doing what's right.

The ONLY thing matters is getting re-elected. The ONLY thing that matters is controlling the media memes.

Fuck. That. Shit.

Do what's right.

[emulatorloo]

21. Tell that to KARL FUCKING ROVE

[polmaven]

23. And the union chiefs

are saying he is doing what is right. But what do they know....? Its only all about them - how could anything they say even matter?

[flamingdem]

25. You cannot function without strategy, otherwise you are dead in this environment nt

[Kip Humphrey]

5. I have to agree with Howard. We all need to get behind & support the recalls.

Hit 'em where it really hurts.

[emulatorloo]

28. Yep.

[emulatorloo]

8. Big Republican Strategists, Rove, Koch Brothers hoping for "Over-reaction" by protesters Wisconsin

Then paint them as 60's style radicals who are against "American Values"

Position Obama and Democrats as crazed radicals to swing states that don't have a lot of Union presence.

ME: You know I can really see that strategy in the big Karl Rove Ad - essentially it says

- Union members make more money than you
- Democrats are radicals
- Unions were responsible for the election of SATAN OBAMA.

[flamingdem]

11. Howard Fineman's analysis really explained what Walker is up to

... he's being advised by someone.

[emulatorloo]

13. Yes he said that Walker is a basically a Pawn in this whole GOP strategy

Walker unimportant to the GOP as a potential candidate, only useful in getting this strategy rolling.

[flamingdem]

24. He'll be used tissue if he can't bust that union nt

[NuttyFluffers]

14. you mean american values like earning enough to eat?

yeah, sure, republicans really are out defending 'american values.' why look, they spared everyone from suffering the evils of health, home, and happiness. they obviously must know what's best for the "silent majority's future." hey, let's put gov't in the hands of people who don't believe in it! yeah, and let's put our health, home, and happiness back in the very same hands that stole it last time!

:crazy:

[emulatorloo]

15. Yeah it shouldn't work.

But it has worked before. Like in 2010 with all the Karl Rove Lie Ads.

[NuttyFluffers]

19. well, we better get as good at framing as they are then.

i gave a frame, go share with a friend. consider it vaccination against RNC stupidity. maybe the disease won't take so many casualties next time.

[emulatorloo]

22. Our "problem" is that we aren't willing to lie

The other problem is that they are lying, so the first thing out of our mouth has to be a long dissertation about why what they are saying is incorrect.

[flamingdem]

27. Truth is supposed to win out, but shorterm deceit might be necessary with the Repukes nt

[emulatorloo]

20. I just posted Rove's Crossroad GPS anti-union ad. You can see the whole strategy right there

Crossroads GPS 'The System' (Karl Rove Wisconsin Anti-Union Ad)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x561209

[lifesbeautifulmagic]

26. alrighty then. Don't let them define what are

"American Values"

Personally, I think well paying middle class jobs are American Values. I think living free from fear is an American Value. I think being able to eat, sleep, send your kids to college and save for retirement is an American Value.