This is pure conjecture, but it could be happening...

[Atman]

And it could be my last post on DU...

I'm pretty much convinced. We've been talking about this since PNAC and Dick "Dick" Cheney's still-secret energy meetings. Cheney and his shadow-government goons still work within the CIA (once headed by GHW Bush -- "you never leave the CIA") fomenting violence and revolution in the Middle East and Africa, once again driving up oil prices just as our economy is (supposedly) improving; this will certainly hurt Obama if the prices stay like this throughout summer vacation months. The GOP will certainly blame Obama just as we blamed Bush. Truth is, neither of them have much control. It is the cartels, the shadow government, aided by the media they've bought and paid for (quite literally) that is running things. The end game, which, again, we've discussed here for years, is to bring down the U.S. economy and the dollar with it. "New World Order." Remember that?

The union-busting, the elimination of the social contract with our citizens, are DESIGNED to incite revolution. That's why they're steadfastly sitting on their tax break windfalls and refuse to give up a dime of it. They know what they're doing. When the fall comes, it's gonna be hard; best to have your billions in tax breaks stashed away overseas while you hide inside your gated compounds as the rabble grows restless and finally wakes up to what is happening.

Again, this isn't some sky-is-falling paranoia. There are plenty of articles on these subjects posted every day here on DU from the world's most respected historians and economists. There are relatively simple fixes to our economic problems, but instead we (they) are targeting the middle class and the poor with totally ineffectual window-dressing cuts in expenditures. There is a strategy at work here to transform the entire world economy.

"New World Order." - GHW Bush. Get ready for it.

[Sherman A1]

1. Interesting

You may be right.

[Atman]

3. I may be wrong.

But it would be nice to be able to discuss it.

[mmonk]

2. Classic shock doctrine if you ask me.

They think we can be marshaled, that they have separated the union from the general public.

[villager]

4. they want to incite revolution so they can strike back harder?

Might the inciting of actual revolution be a slight miscalculation on the elites' part?

[Atman]

5. As if they've never miscalculated.

That's why we're Democrats and they're not. We think rationally.

[kohodog]

8. Who has the guns?

Game over, unless they take away the teevee. Then people would revolt.

[wtbymark]

9. Oh yes , I think so

and this giant boulder has started to move. Do they think they can stop it in time? ...lol...

[WinkyDink]

29. How so? Centuries ago, peasants and kings all had the same weaponry.

[whosinpower]

6. bringing down the us greenback

would hurt them too.

[Atman]

11. Why?

Their money isn't in a savings account at the local Wachovia branch. We're on a whole different level here.

[WinkyDink]

30. Billionaires are invested in other currencies (hello, China).

[KansDem]

7. Remember when Sen. Daniel Inouye of Hawaii referred to the "shadow government"

...during the Iran-Contra hearings, and that pissant Ollie North "objected" to it?

Sen. Inouye comments about the "shadow government"

It's obvious now that the "shadow government" is alive and growing in power and influence. From Reagan on through to W, the shadow government has been calling the shots and using our money to enrich themselves and finance their pursuits of world domination.

And a "Bush" has been in every GOP administration since Nixon!

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. Oh man... a talk with Sen Akaka

in Hawaii a few years ago about DHS...

He did mention this too.

[RufusTFirefly]

17. Ironically, Inouye later shut down discussion of the same shadow government

.. at the Iran/Contra hearings.

I still remember how shocked I was by how he stopped Jack Brooks from asking questions about it.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1al0t_fema-and-rex-84_news
(50 seconds into the video)

Brooks: Colonel North, in your work at the N.S.C. were you not assigned, at one time, to work on plans for the continuity of government in the event of a major disaster?

Brendan Sullivan : Mr. Chairman?

Inouye: I believe that question touches upon a highly sensitive and classified area so may I request that you not touch upon that?

Brooks: I was particularly concerned, Mr. Chairman, because I read in Miami papers, and several others, that there had been a plan developed, by that same agency, a contingency plan in the event of emergency, that would suspend the American Constitution. And I was deeply concerned about it and wondered if that was an area in which he had worked. I believe that it was and I wanted to get his confirmation.

Inouye: May I most respectfully request that that matter not be touched upon at this stage. If we wish to get into this, I'm certain arrangements can be made for an executive session.

[KansDem]

19. Weird...

But then, maybe Sen. Inouye got the "memo?"

And I can't stand Ollie "I Never Wore My Marine Uniform while Working in Reagan's Whitehouse but I Sure as Hell Wore It at the Iran-Contra Hearings" North!!!

[villager]

24. I'm sure Inouye got the same memo other Democrats did -- guaranteeing their fecklessness

...in the face of that very same Shadow Government.

[slay]

12. "There is a strategy at work here to transform the entire world economy."

I think you are 100% correct - and like you indicated - transform it in favor of the rich and powerful and fuck the rest of us. I hope people are catching on.

[madokie]

13. I think you're more spot on than not

rec

[Rex]

14. Well if you include the BFEE and the PNAC crowd then YES.

There is documented proof that some were planning these things a decade ago and all they needed was a sockpuppet in the WH (sadly they got two terms out of their sock). Boy did they get one!

[Poboy]

15. Now 'they' have a ragdoll sock puppet in office.

[arcane1]

16. Conjecture? More like observation

You may not end up 100% accurate, but you're damned close.

[Atman]

18. I think the events of today underscore what is happening.

Why not simply impose a nominal tax increase to at least placate the masses? No one gets hurt. No one's Bentley gets repo'd, no one's third or fourth house gets foreclosed upon, no one loses their "job" as a board member of MegaGlobalTransOutsourcingCorp. They just have to pay a few more bucks, just like they're asking (demanding) everyone else do. But they won't. They won't accept an easy fix to stop an obvious, growing revolution. One has to ask why this is so. What is the end game?

[readmoreoften]

20. Oh god, not more "The CIA caused the revolutions" crap. As if working class struggle is all a part

of some evil genius' master plan. Stop giving them so much power. The CIA doesn't have the ability to control millions of Egyptians and had no interest in toppling the ally who performed their renditions. If revolution and revolt and fighting back is all part of the problem, some CIA "master plan" then what is the solution? More voting for Obama, begging, and crossing fingers?

[Atman]

21. You have a different opinion. That is good.

But why be a dick about it? Say your piece and back it up.

[Raksha]

23. The CIA didn't need to "cause" the revolutions.

The Shock Doctrine doesn't work that way. After all, the CIA didn't cause Hurricane Katrina either. All the shadow government needs to do is have a plan in place, ready to roll out whenever a fortuitous crisis presents itself.

[Angry Dragon]

22. K&R

[PurityOfEssence]

25. Boundlessly arrogant though they are, I don't think they'd toy with these powder kegs...

The presumed stability of the various regimes in this part of the world was the foundation upon which much of their policy has been based.

If Saudi Arabia busts loose, it could be a real mess, and these guys know that full well.

[Atman]

26. You're still not getting it. They WANT the ME to "break loose."

You can't have a "New World Order" with the same ol' world.

[Solomon]

27. The New World Order started on September 11, 2001

at 8:55 a.m. which, if you look at a clock, is also "9-11".

[Atman]

28. Oh, come on...are you TRYING to get this thread banished?

This is NOT a 9-11 thread.

[Solomon]

38. Didn't say it was a 9-11 thread and why should my comment

make them banish the thread? My comment was about New World Order which you and several posters are commenting on.

Pick another date if you want.

[justiceischeap]

31. When I wear my foil hat, I'd have to agree with most of what you say but...

There always is one, isn't there? But...I think the shadow's don't need the CIA any longer. I just finished reading a fiction book by Meg Gardiner called "The Liar's Lullaby" and in that book (which at times was a mess) there was this character whose job consisted of using the Internet to ferment trouble. Find a couple of loose cogs who stand against whatever you're trying to condemn, we'll use unions as our example, wind them up and set them loose, hoping they'll do the dirty work for you. So why involve the CIA when you have freeps who can be incited to do the things you want done? It certainly lends to deniability. You can distance yourself and say, it was one of the lunatic fringe.

[Atman]

32. Howard Fineman seems to agree with me.

Just sayin.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=600004&mesg_id=600004

[Ichingcarpenter]

33. I think 'they have come out of stealth' and are on a frontal assault

The Wal-Street/bank bailout and no arrests showed that
they can now just attack openly now...... fucking bipartisanship
is just another word for collaboration.

[Dash87]

34. Unrec

For "New World Order" usage, and the conspiracy that the CIA is causing the revolutions.

[Atman]

36. I wish I could unrec responses from people who don't pay attention.

The CIA is "causing" the revolution? That's all you got out of the thread? Meh...you read into it whatever you want.

[Hotler]

35. kicking. n/t

[Atman]

37. Given the events of last night...does this post really seem that far-fetched?

Some of you think it's tin-foil hat stuff. But what happened in WI last night, and more importantly, why did it have to happen? Why step so far over a line that you know will cause crowds to gather, protesters to march, and an already volatile situation to grow worse? What could be the possible motivation for a reasonable governing body to want to do this? That's all I'm asking you doubters to consider. WHY? Because there is a larger game going on, that's why.

[RadiationTherapy]

39. They're trying to immanentize the godamned Eschaton!!

Get me Dillinger on the phone; we're going to have to talk to the Dealy Llama.