WIsc Statue 111.70 loophole allows public workers to general strike!!! (and the public will join)

[Omaha Steve]

Under Wisconsin Statue 111.70(4)L which governs the ability of public employees to strike, says public employees are forbidden to strike when they are engaged in negotiatons with their employer. The Madison School District seeked an injunction against Madison Teachers when they went out on strike. Judge Sumi ruled that there was no ground to issue an injunction since workers did not go out on a strike against their employer since the legislature is NOT their employer.

This might give just enough legal wiggle room to encourage public employee unions to go out on strike.

[readmoreoften]

1. Good to hear.

[htuttle]

2. By that same logic: If the private unions strike over the legislative action...

...and not 'in sympathy' with public unions, it would NOT be a violation of Taft-Hartley, then, I suppose...

:D

[elocs]

3. I very, very much doubt that the public would join.

We already have overwhelming public opinion on our side and I think a general strike would lose that in a hurry and damage our chance to defeat the Republican state senators or Walker next year.

[Indydem]

4. Yes, throw a tantrum.

That will totally enamor you with the 88% who are not unionized and don't want to be.

[Omaha Steve]

6. 88% don't want to be???

You have been reading the wrong polls.

Please tell us more.

[Indydem]

10. Only 12% of Americans are unionized.

The other 88% are not, and obviously have chosen not to be unionized.

That number is even lower in the private sector where only 7.2% are unionized.

Even at it's peak, union membership barely broke 35%.

I have been saying since this bullshit in Wisconsin started that striking, a general strike, keeping kids out of school, shutting down the prisons, etc. will NOT win us the hearts and minds of moderates and independents that we will need for any recall effort to succeed or to make sure Walker is not elected in 2014.

What Walker is trying to do is bullshit, but pissing off everyone else in the state is NOT helpful.

If you think shutting down the streets, calling for a general strike and causing havok is going to help you, I think you have another thing coming. People will not blame Walker or the Republicans, they will blame the strikers.

Thats my opinion.

[Omaha Steve]

13. You missed some things in the press of late

Do you not watch left wing TV?

Because our NLRB laws are so bad. I know. My case took almost 4 yours to win. Fired in June of 80. Spring of 84 before I won may case in court. Now a case waits for over 8-2 years to work it's way through.

Even this older LINK (hint hint) has numbers on my side. What you got to back you up?

http://www.sharedprosperity.org/bp182.html

February 22, 2007

2. Workers want unions more than ever before. The proportion of workers who want unions has risen substantially over the last 10 years, and a majority of nonunion workers in 2005 would vote for union representation if they could. This is up from the roughly 30% who would vote for representation in the mid-1980s, and the 32% to 39% in the mid-1990s, depending on the survey. Given that nearly all union workers (90%) desire union representation, the mid-1990s analysis suggested that if all the workers who wanted union representation could achieve it, then 44% of the workforce would have union representation. The rise in the desire for union representation since then suggests that the share of the nonunion workforce wanting union representation in 2005 was 53%. These results, in turn, suggest that if workers were provided the union representation they desired in 2005, then the overall unionization rate would have been about 58%.

[Indydem]

14. Well here are a few pieces of conflicting info.

In 2009, (according to a Rasmussen poll) only 9% of non union households want to join a union.

http://www.mbausa.org/government-affairs-news/archives/just-9-of-non-union-workers-want-to-join-union

Union popularity is at an all time low.

http://www.americanprogressaction.org/issues/2010/07/public_opinion_unions.html

Take that for what you will. I am of the opinion that upsetting the apple cart will only piss off those who do not sympathize with union activities and do not believe in unionization.

If you think a general strike will rally the public in support of organized labor, then we have to disagree.

[Omaha Steve]

16. From YOUR link even that 41% is not 12%

I'm not talking about the general strike. I'm answering your 88% of Americans don't want to be in one including you.

Last summer less than half of Americans said they approved of labor unions. This is the first time this happened in the over 70 years the Gallup survey research group has asked. Just one year earlier nearly 60 percent of respondents approved of labor unions. Similarly, a 2010 Pew Center for the People and the Press survey found union favorability was at just 41 percent, while in 2007—the last time they asked the question—favorability was 58 percent. The Pew survey also found that the decline in support was widespread, falling for virtually every demographic and political group.

And this doesn't sound like they don't want one: http://www.seafarers.org/log/2009/012009/efca.xml

Additionally, the survey reveals that 60 million workers say they would join a union today if they could, and that an average of at least 55 percent of Americans have supported unions since 1936. The poll results were released in early December.

[Liquorice]

7. A strike is not a "tantrum." nt

[Elwood P Dowd]

8. Indy Dem?

Yea, sure you are.

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[Indydem]

11. Believe what you like.

Just because I don't think striking or causing chaos will help anyone in Wisconsin does not make me any less of a Democrat, just a thinker.

[JVS]

9. Does anyone have that picture of Donald Sutherland pointing?

[Indydem]

12. I guess it's this one.

No room for not towing the popular line here on DU these days.

[sudopod]

15. Go away. nt

[ksecus]

5. you dont need rights to shut it down.

Park your trucks, stop all means of production.


You have the power. not them.

Realize that