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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 12:14 AM
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What would happen if not one single public employee...
...(except police, fire, and EMTs) showed up for work on Monday, throughout the state of Wisconsin?

What would happen?

No one at the town hall to take your parking ticket payment.

No one in the mayor's office to answer the phones.

No one to pick up the trash.

No one to teach school.

No one to open the library.

No one to plow the snow.

No one to process the drivers' license applications.

No one to register wills.

No one to transfer property titles.

No one.

Not on Monday.

Not on Tuesday.

Not on Wednesday.

What would happen, in Wisconsin?

What would happen?

I'm just curious.

speculatively,
Bright
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nebenaube Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 12:16 AM
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1. Consider this...
This is what they did today:

http://71.87.25.133/IVOD/COM/COM_110309_JNT_CONF.wmv

This is what it contained...

http://legis.wisconsin.gov/lfb/2011-13%20Budget/2011_03_09%20Modification%20to%20SS%20SB%2011_AB%2011.pdf

See page 16, item 3. and you can see exactly where this is going...
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 12:16 AM
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2. Who would turn their screws, hammer their nails, clean their pens?
Edited on Thu Mar-10-11 12:18 AM by upi402
They would see that the people have the power. That's how it has always had to go.

They would discharge public employees and call in desperate unemployed scabs. Same as always. And we would win.
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SoCalNative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 12:19 AM
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3. Why just public employees?
Why not ALL employees?
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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 12:22 AM
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5. I wonder if that might happen next.
As in, if the public employees don't show up for work, others decide that without the right to form unions that have real power and collective bargaining rights, there's not a lot of justification for being a wage slave.

I don't honestly think it would be total solidarity.

But I could see it spreading, especially in Madison and parts of Milwaukee. And then in some other places.

I could see it, under some circumstances.

Especially if, were the public employees to not show up for work on Monday, the GOPpies did something stupid, like firing them all, or calling out the National Guard to scab, or some other dorky response.

But of course, the WI GOPpies don't do "dorky response," do they?

interestedly,
Bright
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 12:19 AM
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4. The news media would blame the unions for all the problems
in Wisconsin and in a very short time they would turn the public against the workers.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 12:25 AM
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7. You're right. We should accept our losses and kowtow to our masters
Any kind of resistance is, clearly, futile.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 12:33 AM
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9. From one that has been on a couple long strikes it certainly
seems that way. The first thing the company dose is get a judge to make a court order to give anyone access to the plant and limit pickets. Second they start running ads and planting stories in the media making the Union look like thugs. If that fails they bring in the scabs.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 12:34 AM
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10. So you're actually advocating giving up?
n/t
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 12:39 AM
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12. Well no but the odds are all stacked against the
Unions today, both strikes I was involved in we ended up going back to work with what we were offered on day one. The first strike I was involved in was 102 days the longest strike in USW at the time, the second one was 10 1/2 months and that one set a new record.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 12:41 AM
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13. well, it's true the elites have been used to winning steadily since 1980. People cooperated
...in their own reining in and wage enslavement.

Time to end that cooperation, I think.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 12:48 AM
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14. Another thing that makes it tough anymore is public opinion
How many union jobs are there today? Less than 10%? So right from the outset the majority of the public is against the union.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 12:57 AM
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15. Then again, that didn't stop King or Gandhi, thankfully
if you waited until a majority of the public agreed with you, to change history...

well then, history would already have been changed, before you acted
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BillyJack Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 12:59 AM
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16. So, "knowing" that that is how it has always gone.....can't someone think of
a smarter way for this to all play out? Some sort of "surprise third/out-of-the-box-thinking alternative"? I personally am not that clever (wish that I were), but there are a lot of other smart, witty, clever people out there......
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 12:25 AM
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6. Unfortunately you'd never get fullcooperation. nt
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 12:37 AM
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11. Do you have to have 100% or nothing?
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 12:28 AM
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8. The crowd on the live video were chanting
GENERAL STRIKE. Its time to shut down the state.
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