Killers and child molestors should never be released from prison

[quinnox]

Why I believe killers and child molesters should never be released. I have heard of many cases where a killer was released on parole after doing many years, and they quickly killed someone right after getting out of prison. This is so wrong and such an injustice that a known killer was released and then another innocent person was killed.

If a person kills someone, then they can do it again. Easily in some cases. Note I am not talking about killing in self-defense or accident. I am only talking about deliberate murder or killing.

Same thing with child molesters, they almost always re-offend. So with these two classes of crime they should always get life with no parole in my view. Otherwise the injustice is staggering when and if these people go back to their old ways.

[VoteProgressive]

1. Accidental manslaughter? nt

[quinnox]

3. that would be covered under my accident provision

I am only talking about cases where it is proved the person killed on purpose and deliberately and not in self-defense.

[VoteProgressive]

23. OK, sorry I missed that.

[bluestateguy]

2. The prisons are chock full of non violent drug sellers and users

I am at the point now where I now believe we should just empty out the jails and set these people free to save taxpayer money.

The murderers and molesters you referred to would not be affected.

[Vinnie From Indy]

4. Thank God your views are held by a only tiny minority

We are a nation of laws. Those laws protect all of us from ideas like yours in the OP.

Cheers!

[HereSince1628]

5. This sort of talk is what gives veterans nightmares.

PTSD is made from the conflict of good and evil and the social boiler that turns up the heat on that inner-personal conflict.

[quinnox]

7. A veteran from a war would be a special case

I would consider that a special circumstance and it would not be an automatic life without parole sentence.

[HereSince1628]

8. Sure he would. He just has to sit in public places and listen to this

sort of crap to have his emotions twisted like a pretzel.

You have great confidence, that's always a good time for personal interrogation.

[Iggo]

25. By the time you get done adding special cases...

...we're right back to where we are now.

[mike_c]

6. that pesky Constitution, huh?

I believe it has something to say about "cruel and unusual punishment."

[varkam]

9. That pesky Constitution, indeed.

It talks about ex post facto laws, too!

[simonisme]

10. ok

I was a molester but fair enough, as long as people don't take it out my family.

[Vinnie From Indy]

14. Welcome to DU!

Enjoy your brief visit with us!

Cheers!

[simonisme]

15. thanks

very kind of you

[midnight]

11. I'm not sure I could support this thinking.... All one has to do is think like

the Bush administration did about terrorism and who becomes one, and the idea that your guilty and not entitled to the constitution. Just think Bradley Manning and then be real careful about who belongs where forever and without what... I would support more mental health expenditures to not only educated communities against violences, but to also move away from this prison mentality... It is not serving our society...

[Billy Burnett]

12. Meanwhile, megalomaniacal corporate molesters and murderers get bonuses and golden parachutes.

All hail our corporate masters.

:puke:

[krawhitham]

13. I half agree

child molesters should stay in prison. It should be a life sentence to begin with and this it would not be an issue. And I'm talking about a child molester, not an 18 year old kid who sleeps with his 16 year old girl friend

Now if a parent killed the person that molested their kid they are not a danger to anyone else. Why should they have to stay in prison for life? Some killers have a good reason they killed the person and would not be a danger to any one else

[quinnox]

17. hmm, interesting point

Still it is hard for me to not want a life with no parole sentence, even if the killing was done for revenge.

This might be termed a special case, but the penalty should still be very stiff I think, even in this case. 20 years minimum with no parole.

[azurnoir]

16. perhaps we should just send them to Gitmo

place is set up for 'indefinite' incarcerations of selected groups

[blondeatlast]

18. So you don't believe in redemption, rehabilitation, or the Constitution? Gotcha. nt

[Donald Ian Rankin]

19. You're wrong about "They almost always reoffend".

Actually, their recidivism rate is relatively low compared to most other offences.

[Warpy]

20. Few murderers reoffend, actually

since most murders can be listed under crimes of passion or crimes committed while young, high and/or drunk. The exceptions are always the organized crime hitman, whether street gang or Cosa Nostra, and the squirrel who kills strangers for a thrill. The latter categories need to face life with no parole, while the former can be rehabilitated and returned with little risk.

Child rapists are something else. That behavior is compulsive and hard to treat, although some have expressed release from the compulsion with chemical or physical castration. It takes an especially motivated person to go undergo either. Permanent warehousing in the prison population doesn't seem humane. Perhaps we need to find another way to sequester them away from children but allow them the freedom to pursue interests that are impossible to pursue in prisons. It needs to be explored because releasing them doesn't work.

Personally, I'd like to see life in prison at hard labor applied to white collar criminals more than your garden variety murderer. They destroy lives too, usually millions of lives at a time. Our sentencing needs to start reflecting this.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

21. Let me put the following scenarios to you.

:-The battered wife who, after years of abuse, unable to leave her husband because she thinks he'll come after her, stabs him in his sleep

:-The teenager pressured by older friends into joining an armed robbery which turns into a shootout.

:- The 18-year-old who has sex with a 17-year-old.

:-The child, who, at the request of a terminally ill parent, gives them a lethal dose of morphine.

:-The normally peaceful man who is provoked by racist abuse into a barfight in which he smashes someone's head against a pavement.



You can add all the "I didn't mean X, and I didn't mean Y" clauses you like. But what you *said* covered all these, and if you add in all the "not X, and not Y" clauses you don't have anything like the system you're advocating.

Plus, there's also the factor that it's far easier for prison officers to reform and/or control prisoners who hope to get out someday and can get time off for good behaviour.

Some murderers and sex offenders should be sentenced to life in prison. Most, for one reason or another, should not.

[quinnox]

24. you are stretching this on purpose

But I will answer.

Number one: that could be under self defense provision.

Number two: If the teenager shoots and kills someone, life with no parole.

Number three: Of course that isn't child molestation, give me a friggin break!

Number four: This is beyond all bounds of reason and would never happen anyway.

Number five: The only legit possible scenario you posed, and this would be a gray area I agree.

[RandomThoughts]

22. That is why society should have laws and not a two tier legal system.

Never having done those things, or even being able to conceive of how someone could, not sure about what people like that are like, although I would hope they are rehabilitate however that is a long topic on rehabilitation, punitive punishment, and societal safety. However what happens to them should be a matter of law, so that society can have a justice system that is dependable, and thought credible by society.

But there should be a system with due process and agreed upon standards to enforce those things. Without such a system, people go vigilante, then that becomes the norm, then many innocent people are wrongly accused.

Why due process is important, including the concepts of tainted evidence, or justice overreach, where in an imperfect system someone bad can go free, if it is to keep a legal system in place to keep many innocent people from being wrongly convicted.

Vigilantism says every person thought guilty by anyone with a stick or gun, must be punished regardless if many innocent people also get hurt. A legal system will sometimes let guilty people free, to protect many innocent people.

I though a long time about that topic around the topics of legal technicalities, it is an interesting topic, since it is terrible when a procedural error lets what most have concluded is a guilty person go free, but it is worse to remove all justice to make sure ever guilty person is punished, and then without justice, to have many innocent people hurt for no reason, or even innocent people attacked for defending principles of justice with compassion.


And on a side note I am still due beer and travel money and many experiences.