ACLU Madison: "It's official. Police unloading crowd control gear at Wisconsin St entrance."

[Hissyspit]

@ACLUMadison
ACLU Madison
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It's official. Police unloading crowd control gear at Wisconsin St entrance. Pic. #wiunion twitpic.com/4857y5

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http://twitter.com/#!/ACLUMadison/status/45856723377983488

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[tallahasseedem]

1. Oh FFS,

this Walker guy is flat out crazy. We need Democratic "Leadership" to step up NOW!

[roguevalley]

10. thank god fucker doesn't have an airforce. you know he's have them

strafed. He;s trying to provoke. be strong, wisconsin and beat him again. with peace

[blogslut]

2. Stay strong, good people

Don't give them the satisfaction. Be peaceful. You are in the right.

[nenagh]

22. So agree with you.."Stay strong good people"

so well said..

I hope the protesters bring palm trees again.... just for Fox Noise..

[DFW]

3. Scott Walker says:

I'm the Governor of Wisconsin. Help save me from the people of Wisconsin! PLEASE!! NOW!!!!!!!!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

4. Well, that will work...like it did in Tunis, Cairo, and Tripoli.

[Shandris]

14. All relatively small nations where everyone was connected and there was no...

...outside interference. WI has 49 other 'outside interferers'.

Also, I don't think Tripoli's outcome is one we should be aiming for. Be careful out there, folks. They've decided they're going to win the old-fashioned way, it seems.

[Tx4obama]

5. A message from President Obama

From Twitter...

PressSec: POTUS says we must come together & set aside partisanship to fix our budgets. Actions last night in #Wisconsin violate those principles. 8 minutes ago via web

[NightWatcher]

7. Hot Damn that's one hard hitting tweet

who says he hasnt been doing enough?

....a fucking weak ass tweet, are you fucking serious?

[EOTE]

12. Don't worry, he's got this.

If Walker doesn't respond to this tweet, Obama is going to unleash more fury than you've ever seen. Within the 140 character limit, of course.

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. We need more than just pretty words now

Channel your inner FDR... hell for all that matters your inner Teddy if you need to (anti trust)

[Tx4obama]

23. I think Obama is doing the right thing...

The revolution needs to come from the bottom-up not the top-down.
The grassroots, protesters, DEM 14, unions, Feingold, Michael Moore, etc. are going a good job so far without any interference from President Obama.

The dems are uniting and growing stronger everyday!

[snappyturtle]

42. At one time I would have agreed with you but now that the grassroots,

protesters, DEM 14, unions, Feinfold, Mickael Moore, et. al have been heroically spearheading a good fight we all saw how quickly matters can change with one slimely action in the WI Senate last night. I don't think we have time on our side. THose working on recalling the legislatoes in WI may very well succeed but by then the damage will have been done. That's the only success I see coming out of this: recall. In the meantime, WI protesters will have to go back to work and Gov. Walker knows this....I'm sorry to feel this way. I hope the fight continues but unless the potentially recalled legislators have a change of heart, I see the best hope of real change will be in the next election. It's been a stellar effort so far and I hope I'm wrong. The President is irrelevant in this particular fight. imho

[Tx4obama]

44. ,,,,

[Tx4obama]

45. Here's a bit more of what I think......

This OP: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x607000

and this comment #19: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x607000#607184

[snappyturtle]

58. Yes, I agree.....Obviously I did a poor job

by not following up on my thoughts. IF recall occurs and WI becomes blue in 2012, all the problems can be reversed. Just like what happened after President Obama was elected. :sarcasm:

Can you tell I feel a tad helpless and hopeless? But, AGAIN, I hope I am wrong. Thanks for taking the time to reply to me.

[merbex]

17. What doesn't he get? How hard is it to realize that this iSN"T about

budgets.

This is about busting unions and further weakening the middle class....so sorry if that is too partisan for him but covering his eyes,& ears isn't going to change reality or make corporate overlords mind their p's and q's because he keeps blathering on about 'partisanship'.

These are peoples LIVES and LIVELIHOODS at stake.

JEEZUS

[notadmblnd]

18. is he telling to WI workers to cave in?

[Tx4obama]

27. No. He is telling Walker to work with the dems. And what the WI GOP did was a violation. n/t

[gkhouston]

36. Unless there's a second tweet you haven't posted, I question that interpretation.

To me, it sounds like he's still trying to remain noncommittal, which is foolhardy.

[Tx4obama]

40. Reread the tweet

And then ask yourself - 1) Who is not working together? 2) Who violated the principle last night?
answer: THE GOP

There is no other way to interpret what he said.

[gkhouston]

57. Really? The White House is focusing on "budget" and last night's vote had nothing

to do with budget. "Budget repair" is a Walker meme and I'm not encouraged to see the WH still willing to play along with it.

[tallahasseedem]

24. Wow Mr. President...

they're REALLY going to back off now. Not good enough, try again.

[gkhouston]

31. The time for pretending this was about budgets has long since passed.

He can speak up for the people, or he can enable the politicians selling us out to corporations. What he can't successfully do is pretend that nothing is happening.

[Poboy]

46. LMAO! Weak assed tweet? Is that what we get? Fucking Sarah dipshit level response.

[Botany]

6. There is gonna be 150,000 people at least in Madison this Saturday

And a lot of them ate gonna be cops and deputies too. The people are in the right here and if there is a show of force
then it will just hurry up the recalls and Walker will sink further in the polls.

[bluestateguy]

8. ACLU is on my SHIT list now

Defending Phelps and Westboro, opposing the teachers in California.

They are not for working people.

[Hissyspit]

13. Meh.

Phelps and Westboro, as despicable as they are, should have been defended. That's an easy one. The Cali teacher thing, they're wrong, but ACLU overall record is excellent. Yeah, there's decisions they've made nationally I don't like, but that's as always been and not worth a throwing under the bus. And, really, it's off-topic.

[tallahasseedem]

25. Don't forget Limbaugh too!

Ugh.

[Maine-ah]

26. freedom of speech.

I'm not willing to take anyone's away. Even the bastards that spew shit like WBC.

[bluestateguy]

34. Yep. Freedom of speech for Rush Limbaugh, WBC and corporations (Citizens United)

You'll forgive me, if I don't devote my life to protecting their ability to abuse free speech and damage the nation.

[markpkessinger]

48. You are focusing on a couple of countroversial cases to the exclusion of...

...thousands of cases where the ACLU has steadfastly defended the civil rights of ordinary Americans.

[Bragi]

49. Support for Phelps 1st amendment rights isn't controversial

Phelps and his idiot posse are controversial, but defending their free speech rights is a no-brainer.

[markpkessinger]

60. I agree, but...

...it apparently is controversial in the eyes of bluestateguy. I was making the point that he was focusing on a handful of cases that he might happen to disagree with while ignoring thousands of others.

[Bandit]

9. What do you think is going to happen when the cops start beating up teachers?

These people are not thugs or hippies or draft dodgers or ???, they are teachers and firemen and policemen and bus drivers and clerks. America will not stand for police brutality against these folks..This is America at it's very best and the Police better take notice.

[Shandris]

16. The RW news chamber has been talking about the...

...'aggressive', 'argumentative', 'inciting', 'belligerant' 'elites' (I shit you not, they called them fucking ELITES!!! :nuke: ) for a while now. No one in General America is getting the same pic we are really. 'They deserved it' will be a lot of what happens from outside Wisconsin unless our ability to disseminate information suddenly reveals itself in the media.

[Tansy_Gold]

30. If it reaches the point of

police beating up police or firefighters, you know the end times have arrived.

I went to bed late last night and couldn't sleep. This is the first time in quite a while that I've actually been afraid with something other than a vague nameless unease.

I fear there will be exactly the kind of confrontation the endtimers have been salivating over. We've seen the conflicts in Iran and Iraq, in Libya and Sri Lanka and Gdansk and Beijing and Egypt and we've always watched with a sense of security in our distance. If 9/11/01 woke us up to the reality of international violence and terrorism, what happens when we wake up to government-sanctioned domestic terrorism?

We have our random acts of police brutality, and I certainly do not make light of them. But they are not the norm. And if they are investigated for show only and then nothing is really done, at the very least the actions do not become public policy. We do not (yet) have widespread disappearances. There is no acknowledge secret police. We do not (yet) have internment camps.

How far away are we from that state? Seeing police riot gear at the Wisconsin capitol is fear inducing, which I'm sure is what Wanker wants. He and his kind operate on fear as fuel. But the fear they generate for their political ends is manufactured fear to serve as distraction from the things we really should fear. I think now we're getting a glimpse behind the curtain.

Erling Jorstad's "The Politics of Doomsday" (1970) warned of this kind strategy even before Ronald Reagan began to implement it. Understand that people like Wanker -- or perhaps more accurately his mission-from-god supporters -- DO NOT CARE because the see the end of the world as desirable. They have no fear of nuclear holocaust. (See also "Reagan, God, and the Bomb" and "The Genocidal Mentality.")

Look at their actions and determine what the likely ultimate outcome is. Then be afraid.



Tansy Gold

[Shandris]

37. Don't be afraid, Tansy. Be prepared.

Because =IF= something bad were to happen, there's going to be a need for our kind when its' over.

A very big need.

:grouphug:

[notadmblnd]

15. I wonder how much this is costing WI?

Way to save money Walker.:sarcasm:

[Solly Mack]

19. K&R

[Skip_In_Boulder]

20. While I understand the "lets be peaceful"

and can't we all just get along crowd her on DU, which I don't completely disagree with, but by the same token I think protesters need to start showing up at rallies with their protest signs stapled on the end of ax handles.

"Speak softly, but carry a big stick."

This is after all your country that is being turned into a corporatocracy.

[markpkessinger]

28. That would play right into Walker's hands

Don't you understand that if there is anything that can even remotely be cast as having violent intent, it would legitimize the use of force against the protesters?

You really trivialize, and very unfairly, those who do get this point by your use of the phrase, "the can't we all get along crowd." That is NOT what this is about!

[Shandris]

33. There has long been a division of 'peaceful protest always works'...

...and those who believe otherwise in the Democratic Party. But 'playing into Walkers hands'...what exactly does that mean when he just passed the very law everyone was protesting about in the first place without so much as a shrug?

[markpkessinger]

35. Moral authority is still on the side of the protesters...

...The second they allow themselves to be cast as violent, they lose that.

[Shandris]

39. A very good point, to be certain.

But what are we keeping moral authority over if we've lost the battle and the war?

I don't really have a desired answer here...my mind is working trying to look at outcomes and whatnot, and its still early for me, so please don't misread me as saying or supporting something otherwise. I'm just trying to follow the line of thinking, and soliciting a bit of help at it since I'm home alone. :)

[markpkessinger]

43. Wisconsin is the battle...

...but it's the moral authority of the Wisconsin protesters that has the potential to mobilize the kind of national movement necessary to fighting the war.

[Skip_In_Boulder]

38. And I don't really disagree with you there

I think a wildcat strike at this point would be a big mistake as Scottie is just looking for a reason to privatize the public sector. But it is also equally true that if he doesn't get it one way he is going to go after it another way. At what point do the people say enough and we are going to defend our rights by whatever means necessary.

It is just a fact of life that rights were procured in this country, and have been maintained by peoples willingness to take it to the mat. If peaceful protest don't win the day then what next? Just roll over?

[demmiblue]

41. -1 for advocating violence n/t

[Skip_In_Boulder]

47. -2 for being a coward

Read your country's history. We didn't establish ourselves through a sit in.

[demmiblue]

51. Lol... sure, Skippy.

:rofl:

[guitar man]

53. I'm torn on this

I'm wanting to see a peaceful resolution to this, but the jukebox in my head keeps playing AC/DC's
"If You Want Blood".

But maybe I'm not looking at it right, I don't see this as a singular moment in time, I'm seeing it as the culmination of 30 years of brutalization of the working class ever since that bastard Reagan was elected. I have to admit I'd get some satisfaction from seeing the skulls of the abusers bashed in, but I'm afraid that would result in a big setback for the movement. The media would run with the "union thugs" story at the speed of light.

So for now....peaceful protests...let the hand that's been dealt be played out. When it gets to the point where there's nothing left to lose.....

[KalicoKitty]

21. Why is the President not supporting the people..the ones who voted fo him??

:kick:

[markpkessinger]

29. Follow the money ... n/t

[adigal]

32. Those violent teachers and retirees!!!

I feel so much safer now that I see the riot gear. /snark

Is this crazy-ass governor kidding? Is he this stupid?? I hope the protestors are not intimidated by bully boy. I would be even more angry seeing this.

[undeterred]

50. At least they're starting to understand how angry people are

and how much everyone hates Walker.

[Atman]

52. And so it begins...

They were digging a new foundation in Manhattan
And they discovered a slave cemetery there
May their souls rest easy now that lynching is frowned upon
And we've moved on to the electric chair

And I wonder who's gonna be president
Tweedle Dumb or Tweedle Dumber?
And who's gonna have the big
Blockbuster box office
This summer
How 'bout we put up a wall
Between the houses and the highway
And then you can go your way
And I can go my way

Except all the radios agree with all the TV's
And all the magazines agree with all the radios
And I keep hearing that same damn song
Everywhere I go

Maybe I should put a bucket over my head
And a marshmallow in each ear
And stumble around for another dumb numb week
For another hum drum hit song to appear

People used to make records
As in a record of an event
The event of people
Playing music in a room
Now everything is cross-marketing
It's about sunglasses and shoes
Or guns or drugs
You choose

We got it rehashed
We got it half-assed
We're digging up all the graves
And we're spitting on the past

And we can choose between the colors
Of the lipstick on the whores
Cuz we know the difference
Between the font of twenty percent more
And the font of teriyaki

You tell me
How does that make you feel?
You tell me what's real

They say that alcoholics are always alcoholics
Even when they're dry as my lips for years
Even when they're stranded on a small desert island
With no place in two thousand miles to buy beer

And I wonder is he different
Is he different
Has he changed
What he's about
Or is he just a liar
With nothing to lie about

Am I headed for the same brick wall
Is there anything I can do
About anything at all
Except go back to that corner in Manhattan
And dig deeper
Dig deeper this time

Down beneath the impossible pain of our history
Beneath unknown bones
Beneath the bedrock of the mystery
Beneath the sewage system and the path train
Beneath the cobblestones and the water main
Beneath the traffic of friendships and street deals
Beneath the screeching of kamikaze cab wheels
Beneath everything I can think of to think about
Beneath it all
Beneath all get out

Beneath the good and the kind and the stupid and the cruel
There's a fire just waiting for fuel
There's a fire just waiting for fuel
There's a fire just waiting for fuel

("FUEL" by Ani DiFranco)

[Poboy]

54. R'd

[shanti]

55. horses or tanks yet?

:(

[Botany]

56. This just goes to show that we a winning

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLHTC0EJt1M&tracker=False&NR=1

Walker your days are #ed.

[BlueIdaho]

59. Palace Guards Ready to Protect Emperor Walker.

Sick, sick, sick.

[iwishiwas]

61. Walker and his Repug Poodles wanted to see violence but none

occurred. Suck on that you widdle poodles!