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Thu Mar-10-11 05:58 PM
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Whatever you believe is the best reaction Obama could have toward Wisconsin |
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It is a bit strange that he quite willingly reaches out to despicable figures on the right in dealing with controversial issues, yet never reaches out to the left, whatever the contentious issue at hand. Jeb, Warren, Simpson--are there balancing examples of leftist luminaries elevated by Obama for crucial policy debates? Does it happen with anything approaching the same consistency? What do you think he believes is the value of this behavior, and why do you suppose the GOP could not be more opposite in its actions compared to the president's?
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Thu Mar-10-11 06:00 PM
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4. I'm trying to understand how meeting with Jeb is fine, but throwing in on WI isn't. |
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Presumably there are options between making bland comments from the aether and shitting in a box?
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Thu Mar-10-11 06:16 PM
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11. Um, he has "thrown in" on Wisconsin. |
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And comments from DC are all he SHOULD be doing, because I'm pretty sure Wisconsin's people wanna win this one themselves without Daddy's help.
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Thu Mar-10-11 06:20 PM
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12. Except they didn't win! |
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We lost the battle. Now all we can do is file suits and shoot for recalls and demand to be heard.
Maybe if Obama had thrown some more of this amazing influence, people keep telling me he has, behind the people, we might have had a bit more press, a bit more support, a bit more of a chance.
Funny, one Obama supporter told me today that Obama is the only man who can help us. Well I don't see any fucking help at all. A half assed comment at a press conference is not "support".
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Thu Mar-10-11 06:26 PM
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15. You've lost the battle, but I guarantee you're gonna win the war. |
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ActBlue has raised 1.4 million dollars from over 60,000 contributors--over 10K of whom came last night.
And the President is not empowered to stop Walker short of putting him in a headlock. Public opinion polls show that not only is Wisconsin on your side, the whole NATION is on your side. Seriously, I wanna know--what is it that you think he'd have done, short of providing Republicans a convenient target to vent their spleens at?
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Thu Mar-10-11 06:37 PM
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18. No, I have explained this a dozen fucking times and I'll do it once more |
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What we needed was coverage. Half the goddamn country doesn't even know there are protests going on. The international press is covering this more than the MSM. Some schmoe in Guam knows more about Madison than half this nation.
Obama should have gotten his ass to Wisconsin dragging the White House Press Corps behind him, and made this a national issue. All it would have taken was one day, he could have lightened the mood with a plastic palm tree and held a press conference to make his stand and what should have been the stand of the Democratic party known to the WORLD.
I hear many people saying it would have been a disaster for Obama's re-election. That may well be true, but IMHO the future rights of American workers trumps one mans political ambitions.
I have no doubt we are going to win. But the fact is if you truly support Obama and want him re-elected then you might want to reconsider your position. Because if the people do this without any support from the Democratic big wigs then there really is no reason to vote for them is there. Why bother to vote for someone who is more concerned about being re-elected than he is about the people he was elected to serve?
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Thu Mar-10-11 07:14 PM
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20. You talk million while Republicans talk billions.. |
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What is one million dollars compared to the Koch brothers?
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Fri Mar-11-11 01:04 PM
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29. The Koch brothers' true agenda has been laid bare to the country |
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and money doesn't necessarily buy votes if people already hate you.
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Fri Mar-11-11 01:37 AM
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28. he never will because he's all about reelection the Clinton way. |
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don't be anyone to anyone about anything.
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Thu Mar-10-11 06:01 PM
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6. OMG - you literally made me LOL! |
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If he doesn't do that then he is a corporate Koch supporter! ;)
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Thu Mar-10-11 06:02 PM
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7. Here's another vote for |
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Thu Mar-10-11 05:59 PM
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...maybe he's trying to win the next election?
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Thu Mar-10-11 06:01 PM
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More of the same. :boring:
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Thu Mar-10-11 06:06 PM
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8. The GOP won the last election, doing nothing similar to what Obama is doing |
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Edited on Thu Mar-10-11 06:06 PM by jpgray
What sort of country is this, given that what you say is true? Obama must coddle his enemies and shun his party's activists to win, right? But his enemies have won while freely shunning Obama and coddling their own activists.
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Thu Mar-10-11 10:52 PM
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26. The R's were fired up and united... |
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...even though they were "demoralized" and "out in the wilderness" after 2008.
Maybe we could learn something here?
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Thu Mar-10-11 06:10 PM
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9. You are right, pictures of him standing next to farmers and the working class |
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will lead to his...wait. There is no 'try', only 'do'.
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Thu Mar-10-11 10:50 PM
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24. That's what he needs... |
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...more photo ops...wait...isn't that what we hated about the universally reviled "W"?
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Thu Mar-10-11 06:13 PM
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10. At some point he has to stop campaigning and start governing |
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Someone with his skills could really lead us to a better country. But he doesn't want to do anything that would upset the republicans.
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...the Cons loved them some Health Care Bill...
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Thu Mar-10-11 06:24 PM
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Edited on Thu Mar-10-11 06:24 PM by walldude
Sit back and watch as the Republicans destroy the working class, and then get pissed off because no one wants to vote for him because they can't afford to feed their families. Meantime the top 1% gets to keep their 3% tax decrease and more importantly their 15% tax on capitol gains.
At least it gives Obama supporters someone to blame it on. Yeah blame it on those shitty teachers, cops, firemen, union workers, retail workers, and burger flippers who are pissed off because they didn't get their pony.
Yeah fucking brilliant strategy.
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Thu Mar-10-11 10:47 PM
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22. So much for building bridges... |
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Thu Mar-10-11 06:28 PM
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17. By alienating labor???? n/t |
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Thu Mar-10-11 10:57 PM
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27. It's common knowledge... |
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...among the DU cognoscenti that there were no union jobs saved by the stimulus act...
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Thu Mar-10-11 06:00 PM
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3. Not even the left -- he's not reaching out to mainstream unionists. |
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Many of them who've been Republicans.
It is becoming a horrid lapse in Democratic, and democratic, leadership.
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Thu Mar-10-11 06:23 PM
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13. For one, he needs to stop talking about partisanship |
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to solve state budget problems and recognize this is a revolution of the working class, the majority of Americans. Sure we don't own 90% of the economy, but that's because of the stoking of Wall Street by Washington for the last thirty years and he's the latest part of this favoritism. It's time for him to become the President of the people not of the Fortune 500.
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Thu Mar-10-11 06:26 PM
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16. He has more warm fuzzies for Michael Vick than he does for Wisconsin. |
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I won't send him 12 cents in 2012.
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Thu Mar-10-11 06:39 PM
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19. it paints him as a moderate, it appeals to indies |
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it makes his critics on the Right look like raving loonies.
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Thu Mar-10-11 07:20 PM
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21. The last one of those three kinda makes sense. |
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The others... not so much, IMHO.
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