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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 12:57 PM
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Power company reports rising pressure inside core of stricken plant
US Air Force rushes coolant to nuclear reactor hit by giant Japan earthquake
Power company reports rising pressure inside core of stricken plant

NBC, msnbc.com and news services
updated 30 minutes ago 2011-03-11T17:23:10

Key details

* U.S. Air Force delivers coolant to stricken nuclear plant
* Cooling system fails at Fukushima No. 1 plant after quake
* Fire reported at Onagawa nuclear facility


The United States has transported coolant to a Japanese nuclear plant hit by the massive Friday earthquake, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said.

"We just had our Air Force assets in Japan transport some really important coolant to one of the nuclear plants," Clinton said at a meeting of the President's Export Council.


"Japan is very reliant on nuclear power and they have very high engineering standards but one of their plants came under a lot of stress with the earthquake and didn't have enough coolant," Clinton said.

In addition, the Japanese defense ministry said it had dispatched dozens of troops trained to deal with chemical disaster to the plant in case of a radiation leak...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42025882/ns/world_news-asiapacific/
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 01:00 PM
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1. Anyone know what kind of reactor this is? Light Water? Heavy Water? Sodium Cooled?
Why does the US Air Force need to supply cooling water? :shrug:
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 01:06 PM
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4. To answer my own question: Looks like a BWR (Boiling Water Reactor)....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_I_Nuclear_Power_Plant

Still wondering why the Air Force is needed to supply emergency cooling water.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 01:08 PM
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7. The generator that supplies the water to cool it failed
per MSNBC on my emergency tweet.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 01:10 PM
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10. So the Air Force supplied power or emergency water?
The link says they supplied coolant. Emergency power I could see....
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 01:15 PM
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14. Coolant
emergency coolant. power, I can see if they can get an offshore and mobile Naval Reactor. This is serious shit.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 01:23 PM
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19. Here a little more info from the FT
Japanese government officials and Tokyo Electric Power, the plant’s operator, said all Fukushimi Daiichi’s reactors had shut down automatically as designed during the quake. But coolant water for one reactor was running low after its water pump’s diesel generator failed.


It is in Tokyo, so yes, the alternate electrical source will have to be either a naval reactor, or a bunch of diesel generators, Something is telling me they are moving those into position
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 02:08 PM
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25. no, it's NOT in tokyo. it's about 200 miles away.
Edited on Fri Mar-11-11 02:17 PM by Hannah Bell
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 02:10 PM
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26. Heavy Water?
That's all I can think of.
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FLPanhandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 01:03 PM
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2. It's a little concerning that they've had to reach out to the US for help already
And that the coolant is already on it's way. Sounds like it's pretty serious and people have scrambled fast.
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IScreamSundays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 01:05 PM
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3. They will wait till after the markets close to tell us about
the radiation leak. I think it is very serious.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 01:07 PM
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6. I'm inclined to agree.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 01:09 PM
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8. It took years before we found out how serious Three Mile Island actually was....
Events like this are kept secret so that "an uninformed public" doesn't panic (and demand better safety).
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 01:16 PM
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15. Japan is especially sensitive to this due to two events
we are all familiar with
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 01:28 PM
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21. I also believe that there is a high likelihood that it is leaking radiation.
Edited on Fri Mar-11-11 01:30 PM by FourScore
I read a fascinating book by the nuclear scientist that led the cleanup of Tchernobyl. He is dead now, he died from the radiation poisoning. He wrote his book to warn the world about the dangers of nuclear energy before he died. (He was an advocate of nuclear energy until it took his life.) In his book he states that it is standard operating procedure of all countries and the IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency) to deny the true risk of any accident and to downplay the severity for as long as possible. Then slowly the truth seeps out. My guess: We'll first hear about radiation from independent sources, most likely from neighboring countries.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 01:07 PM
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5. They have issued evac orders for 200,000 people too
per my tweet on MSNBC...

And this is why kiddies reactors on fault zones are NOT a good idea *COUGH SAN ONOFRE COUGH*

If it is near water, they may have to use a secondary reactor to feed the coolant until they can fix the problem...

Ronald Reagan comes to mind, if it is nearby and I got no idea if this is even possible.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 01:11 PM
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11. Yes, but those mussels the size of dinner plates just offshore from San Onofre are mighty tasty
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 01:29 PM
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23. ..and they glow in the dark too...makes them easier to find...
...:yikes:
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FLPanhandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 01:11 PM
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12. Shit.
I hope this gets contained. I assume Japanese reactors have full containment vessels and aren't like the old USSR Chernobyl plants.

Earthquake, tsunami, and nuclear accident all at the same time would be devastating to a country. Plus, the US would be in the jet stream path of any high altitude radioactive leak.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 01:17 PM
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16. They are extremely well engineered
and no do not use the same tech Chernobyl did. This was an 8.9 though... this is why reactors and faults don't mix...
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 01:28 PM
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22. Holy moly.....
...
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 01:10 PM
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9. "...some really important coolant..."
:rofl:
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sixmile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 01:12 PM
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13. Now venting gas
and declaring a SOE per ABC TV Santa Cruz
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IScreamSundays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 01:17 PM
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17. what does that mean?
"venting gas"
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 01:18 PM
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18. relieving internal pressure...
think of a reactor like this, a really big espresso machine... you boil water right? Water can get under pressure. What do you do when pressure gets too high? You release some using a side vent, or the vessel could fail...
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FLPanhandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 01:25 PM
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20. Except this venting is radioactive
Not good.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 01:33 PM
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24. No, not all the time
and that is the tricky part.

If the nuclear vessel has integrity...
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 02:14 PM
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27. If the pressure vessel had lost integrity, it would not be building up pressure.
Edited on Fri Mar-11-11 02:14 PM by formercia
The coolant is just boiling off, since there is no way to rout it to the heat exchangers.
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