First Koch Boycott Target

[Maineman]

According to a Koch Industries web site, Georgia-Pacific LLC is a Koch company. This looks like the best Koch target for boycott. BOYCOTT THESE PRODUCTS:

Quilted Northern
Angel Soft
Brawny
Sparkle
Soft n'Gentle
Mardi Gras
Vanity Fair,
Dixie

There are also brand names in Europe.
Perhaps we could solicit their help.

[Brickbat]

1. Many of these are union-made.

Just FYI.

[Scuba]

3. Damn, this world is complicated!!!

[gateley]

5. Makes you wish they were manufactured in China - but I'm pleased that workers

are getting some of the Koch money (albeit from profits)

Makes it a quandary - boycott or no? It's more important to me to support the workers than to "make a statement" that probably won't affect Koch a bit.

What would you do?

[Erose999]

14. Use cloth napkins instead of paper towels. Find a non-koch union made TP.

[gateley]

20. Simple approaches, which is of course why I didn't think of them. To me, it's

always Either/Or. :eyes: Thanks! :hi:

[Erose999]

23. Looks like Scott brand is Union-Made... Kimberly Clark is their parent company.

http://www.delcotimes.com/articles/2010/04/28/news/doc4bd7a0da5987b786077884.txt

[hlthe2b]

26. ahh, good to know. I've bought that brand for years.

[TicketyBoo]

36. What about Procter and Gamble?

Most of the paper products I like are made by them (Bounty, Charmin, Puffs), but I don't know the status of their workers?

[Brickbat]

48. I do not boycott union-made products.

When I boycott, I write letters to the company every time I buy a competitor's product or service, and let the company know how much I've spent on other products and why I'm boycotting. It's a pain in the ass, but that's what I do.

If I happen to not buy a union-made product because I'm buying a different union-made product, well, that's another thing entirely.

In general, if there are two products, I will pick the union-made one. If they're both union-made, I will use a different decider depending on how I feel that day (union-made in my state is better than union-made from a different state, for example).

[JDPriestly]

6. What is the wage of the average union member working for a Koch

company? In what states are they located? How many union members does Koch employ?

How do you know that many of these are union-made?

[Brickbat]

18. Wages vary, of course, because of the different unions doing different jobs.

GP has hundreds of plants all over the country, manufacturing hundreds of products. Figuring out how many of the employees are union is beyond my interest level right now. It's in the thousands.

I know that many of them are union made because I give a shit about such things. I prefer to buy union products and I research everything I buy. I also generally do not boycott union-made products.

[JDPriestly]

46. I will boycott Koch-made products.

[Brickbat]

49. Be sure to let them know you are, and why, and what you bought instead, and how much you've spent on

the competitor's product. It's more effective that way, IMO.

[1776Forever]

21. Check this out - But it doesn't say which are Union plants:

http://www.kochind.com/factssheets/KochFacts.aspx

Iowa Facts
Kansas Facts
Minnesota Facts
Oklahoma Facts
Texas Facts
Wisconsin Facts

[druidity33]

8. well that's a dilemma...

we want to punish Koch for trying to destroy Unions by boycotting companies he owns, but some of them are Union!

Have you got a link that points to which ones ARE Union products?

:shrug:
Cheers...

K&R

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

28. That's what dues are for.

:think:

[Brickbat]

31. Heh.

:thumbsup:

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

32. It's not rocket science.

[Brickbat]

39. Tell me about it.

[hlthe2b]

2. It would help to state what alternative brand is ok....(non-Koch)

Based on that list, I assume Scott brand toilet paper is ok? There is no way to know where store brand products originate, so I'm guessing there is nothing we can say about them.... :shrug:

BTW, who the hell would ever pay the outrageous prices they charge for Brawny? I doubt I have ever done so. ;)

[otohara]

9. Seventh Generation

or...just look on the packaging - check out who makes it.

[hlthe2b]

16. I've not found it to be as easy as you suggest...

Non-branded products are nearly impossible to deduce. Seventh Generation is sold as environmentally "friendly," but some of their products don't work very well-- their dish soaps for instance and they are quite expensive. Low sudsing, environmentally friend dish soap from Palmolive, on the other hand, seems to work reasonably well...

Ahh, never an easy answer....Maybe some group will do the research and make some specific recommendations taking both union issues and Koch avoidance in consideration...

[otohara]

22. Dirt vs Health

I buy these products for many reasons.

I think about the toxins we flush down toilets and drains. Have you ever looked at the ingredients in a commercial toilet paper? More chemicals, you know for that added softness American's require for their asses. Soaps that contain dyes and fragrances.

My other pet peeve is.... fragrances. They are so toxic and dangerous to small people, including the un-born.

I don't want my dishes smelling like flowers, my air, my clothes, my bed sheets.
I love the smell of nothing and find a little goes a long way.
Commercial products are all loaded with fragrances - and the Koch boys are also in the fragrance bizness, and I don't think it's the kind you buy at Macy's.

[hlthe2b]

24. No, the palmolive brand (pure + clear) I use is their ECO equivalent...

And, no, I use unfragranced, plain paper toilet paper- You can save your lectures, as you really shouldn't be assuming yourself to be the only one who tries to be responsible. I merely point out that some work better than others and I have tried nearly every brand of these safer, ecologically-friendly alternatives. Some work fine. Others are a total waste.

[Erose999]

25. Can you wash dishes with Dr. Bronner's?

[otohara]

33. Dr. B Has

Sal Suds.

http://www.drbronner.com/DBMS/SAL.htm

I didn't like the smell - kinda like pine. But that's me, I am chemically sensitive to fragrances.

My favorite brand is Bio-Kleen. they have an all purpose cleaner, I dilute in spray bottles for bath, kitchen. Their laundry is the best.
http://biokleenhome.com/products/household/general

[louis-t]

37. Palmolive is a little too low-sudsing

I use it but jeez, one swipe across a dish and the suds are gone.

On the other hand, there's Dawn. Oy, the suds.

[hlthe2b]

40. That's sort of the point. Low sudsing, means no phosphates...

or other additives that are ecologically unfriendly. It does take getting used to and I will admit to keeping a bottle of Dawn on hand for the times when I've got grease to deal with. ;)

[louis-t]

41. Aha! Cheater!

:spank:

[hlthe2b]

44. You haven't seen me on a diet....

;) I subscribe to moderation and doing what one can.

[we can do it]

38. "Sudsing" Is Corporate BS- The Fuckers Have Made Shampoos Less "Sudsy"

lately so we will use more.

[Brickbat]

27. Marcal is union-made, made of 100 percent recycled paper, is free of chlorine bleach and damn cheap

in my neck of the woods.

[hlthe2b]

29. I'll have to look for that brand... Not sure I've seen it before...

[Brickbat]

34. Yeah, I never noticed it until about a year ago, but apparently the company has been around since

the 50s. The grocery store I shop at is in a very small town in a remote area, so I would think larger stores in larger cities could get it readily. You can request your grocer to special-order some products.

[Scuba]

4. How about a list of Union-made alternative products.

[glinda]

7. Your title reads like we should boycott Target. I live in MN. and they for better or

worse provide a lot of jobs here. I won't shop at Walmart. Target is bad but Walmart far worse.

[cascadiance]

10. Damn, I wish i'd checked more this stuff before using up my Costco coupons last month...

which had one for Brawny towels instead of Scott brand towels. And I really haven't bought that brand in ages either! Now I got months worth of Koch crap to use up! Had that coupon batch expired a week or so later, I'm betting they'd have had a LOT less sales on that than they did.

[Maineman]

11. Damn, I missed that it would hurt the workers

We better back off and find a different Koch target preferably one that polutes a lot.

[glinda]

12. Here is a more extensive list for Koch Industries:

http://inspirationgreen.com/koch-brothers-products.html

[patrice]

13. Lycra?

[1776Forever]

15. This page will give you information on plants in the US - I don't know which ones are Union:

http://www.kochind.com/factssheets/KochFacts.aspx

Iowa Facts
Kansas Facts
Minnesota Facts
Oklahoma Facts
Texas Facts
Wisconsin Facts

[LiberalEsto]

17. It's Vanity Fair the paper napkin, FYI

not Vanity Fair the magazine, which is owned by the Newhouse publishing empire.

[undeterred]

19. We should refer to Koch Industries as the ASSWIPE BROTHERS.

[LiberalEsto]

42. Someone posted Kochroaches

That's my fave!

[Snoutport]

47. that was on one of my posts!

I thought the guy who said it was brilliant!

[EFerrari]

30. Excellent choice, too!

:kick:

[Scurrilous]

35. K & R

:thumbsup:

[Cleita]

43. Fortunately I don't use any of those overpriced

products.

[BeHereNow]

45. K&R n/t

BHN