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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 09:36 PM Original message |
We need to have a serious discussion on nuclear reactors |
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Earth_First (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 09:40 PM Response to Original message |
1. Bah, you and your pesky FACTS! |
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meow mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 09:42 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. and a guy with a PHD... instead of a armchair nukeapologist |
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meow mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 04:57 AM Response to Reply #1 |
88. his facts in horrific nuclear meltdown. ya pesky to say the least. |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 09:40 PM Response to Original message |
2. Are you listening to this expert on Rachel Maddow's show? |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 09:44 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. Sounds like sensationalist BS to me. |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 09:59 PM Response to Reply #7 |
14. Why aren't you on Rachel's show? |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 10:09 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. Probably for a lot of reasons. |
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meow mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 04:58 AM Response to Reply #7 |
89. its worse now that what he was saying. so i guess that makes you the sensationalist bullshitter |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 05:22 AM Response to Reply #89 |
102. you don't know whether it's worse. |
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meow mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 05:24 AM Response to Reply #102 |
103. true, rather i strongly assume its worse. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 05:32 AM Response to Reply #103 |
106. if you're going to mention "cores being thrown out" i'd appreciate it if you'd cite a source. |
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meow mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 05:41 AM Response to Reply #106 |
107. id supply one if i had it.. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 05:43 AM Response to Reply #107 |
108. yes, it's a rumor, glad you admit it. when it "comes true" you can report it. |
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MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 09:40 PM Response to Original message |
3. I don't think many understand that Japan has 5 |
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somone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 10:18 PM Response to Reply #3 |
27. 55, not 5 |
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MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 12:27 AM Response to Reply #27 |
111. Holy crap... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 11:34 PM Response to Reply #3 |
56. lots more than 5. |
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Ilsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 09:43 PM Response to Original message |
5. Thank you for helping to make some sense out of this while we wait. nt |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 09:43 PM Response to Original message |
6. Actually, I think Gaia's plan..... |
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Blue-Jay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 01:29 AM Response to Reply #6 |
75. ? |
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quinnox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 09:45 PM Response to Original message |
8. thanks for this info n/t |
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GodlessBiker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 09:45 PM Response to Original message |
9. You sound like you know there is no danger. How many times has this ... |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 09:47 PM Response to Original message |
10. Nuke plants are a mistake. It's the unforeseen events |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 09:49 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Coal powered plants discharge more radioactive material into the atmosphere |
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meow mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 09:58 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. too bad those plants are not the immediate topic |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 10:00 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. And talking about nuke plants being a mistake is not off topic? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 10:12 PM Response to Reply #11 |
23. We don't need coal plants either. |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 10:13 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Nuclear power is neither dirty nor dangerous. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 10:17 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. I wish I could sit on that pink cloud you sit on |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 10:24 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. You're a realist? Have you ever even set foot inside of a nuclear power generation facility? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 10:26 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. I have one fifteen miles from me. I have sat in |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 10:33 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. I've been in a facility. I have seen the reactor. I have spoken to nuclear chemical engineers. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 10:37 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. They said (to themselves) "I want to keep my job so I'm not saying shit about this." |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 10:38 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. So you choose not to believe a nuclear chemical engineer. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 11:08 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. The engineer who built the Titanic said it was unsinkable. |
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The Traveler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 01:21 AM Response to Reply #38 |
72. I've spent a fair amount of time in a reactor facility |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 04:59 AM Response to Reply #72 |
90. +1000000 I wish I could recomend this post |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 01:00 AM Response to Reply #25 |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 10:20 PM Response to Reply #11 |
30. Unless, of course, that nuke plant starts spewing shit into the atmosphere. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 09:58 PM Response to Original message |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 10:04 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. freaks? woah! you sure wafted in here with an agenda, didn't you? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 10:07 PM Response to Reply #17 |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 10:09 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. but the times it doesn't work is what the crux of the matter is. |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 10:11 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. So you think it's okay for people to flip the fuck out |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 10:19 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. it's understandable that something as deadly as a meltdown could get people 'flipped out' |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 10:22 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. This has killed no one and will likely kill no one. |
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jacquelope (364 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 10:24 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Worst wording ever. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 11:45 PM Response to Reply #33 |
62. PETA is a legitimate cause, too, |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 10:25 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. possible meltdown I should have said. |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. "hang around for years doing the same thing over and over." |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 04:55 AM Response to Reply #39 |
85. No they essentially boil water to produce electricity |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 10:30 PM Response to Reply #13 |
37. "green peace freaks" Nice |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 10:40 PM Response to Reply #37 |
45. Those darned environmentalists! |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 10:03 PM Response to Original message |
16. Short, but to the point. |
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pacalo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 01:15 AM Response to Reply #16 |
70. I wouldn't take the word of an anonymous poster over the word of a physicist |
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cprise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 10:11 PM Response to Original message |
21. Would belong in the Environment/Energy forum, |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 10:12 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Along with the other threads on how this is going to be nuclear holocaust? |
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cprise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 01:18 AM Response to Reply #24 |
71. Ah, so enviros can't be trusted with a nuclear topic? |
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pa28 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 10:20 PM Response to Original message |
29. The Japanese reactors have steel reinforced concrete containment domes? |
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miyazaki (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 10:30 PM Response to Original message |
36. Bump. Hard to keep it above the hysterics though.n/t |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
40. Nice comforting bullshit. Tell the truth. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 10:36 PM Response to Reply #40 |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 10:54 PM Original message |
Really? Would YOU eat radioactive fish? |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 11:07 PM Response to Original message |
48. I'm going to try to explain all of this to you. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 11:26 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. And back at you - radioactive isotopes settle in the ocean. They |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 10:54 PM Response to Reply #40 |
46. Oy. Let me rephrase. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 11:04 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. I understand just fine how they work in an operational plant. What I'm |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 11:18 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. "There is no structure on earth that is designed to withstand that magnitude quake." |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 11:32 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. There is a difference between pressure and shear. |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 11:40 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. Ultimate tensile strength of high grade steel reinforced concrete is over 100 MPa |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 11:47 PM Response to Reply #53 |
63. What are they evactuating? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 05:25 AM Response to Reply #53 |
104. LINK? |
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taught_me_patience (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 11:26 PM Response to Reply #40 |
51. There are a lot of "ifs" in your post |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 11:35 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. And the Titanic is perfectly safe if it hits an iceberg. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 11:51 PM Response to Reply #40 |
64. You are talking nonsense. Why would you think the primary containment and secondary |
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jillan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 10:38 PM Response to Original message |
44. Until there is a way to get rid of nuclear waste - no thank you! |
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Sugarcoated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 11:32 PM Response to Reply #44 |
54. You got it |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 11:44 PM Response to Reply #44 |
60. Do you know what the different types of nuclear waste emit? |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 11:33 PM Response to Original message |
55. Thanks for schooling us, but unless you know the exact facility design, the damage |
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Union Scribe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 11:38 PM Response to Original message |
58. But, like, Godzilla blah blah h-bomb blah blah |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 11:45 PM Response to Original message |
61. until they invent 'Nuke-Away!' I'm against it. n/t |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 11:58 PM Response to Original message |
65. There's just one itsy bitsy problem with your "theory"... |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 12:00 AM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Why don't they have business there? |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 01:10 AM Response to Reply #66 |
69. Maybe, if they fail to prevent a meltdown there, you will get a clue. |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 12:58 AM Response to Original message |
67. BUMP |
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pa28 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 04:04 AM Response to Reply #67 |
79. Yes. Bump. |
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Chris_Texas (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 01:21 AM Response to Original message |
73. Many liberals fear nuclear power the way (and for the same reasons) cons fear muslims |
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HCE SuiGeneris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 01:25 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. I'd love for you to tell me how your faith was founded. |
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Chris_Texas (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 01:49 AM Response to Reply #74 |
76. I have faith the human MIND. |
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HCE SuiGeneris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 02:00 AM Response to Reply #76 |
77. A man enamored of technology. It is, and continues to be, a thing of wonder. However, what of.... |
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Chris_Texas (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 02:19 AM Response to Reply #77 |
78. Not technology, I am enamored with LIFE my friend |
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meow mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 04:54 AM Response to Reply #73 |
83. and your faith just went up in a cloud of radioactive smoke |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 04:12 AM Response to Original message |
80. So you work with these kind of things day in and day out? |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 04:50 AM Response to Reply #80 |
81. Uhh no. |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 04:57 AM Response to Reply #81 |
87. But you felt the need to provoke people anyway? |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 05:00 AM Response to Reply #87 |
92. I was actually trying to calm everyone down. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 04:53 AM Response to Original message |
82. later today you will be eating your words |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 04:55 AM Response to Reply #82 |
84. I specifically stated that a melt down is possible. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 04:57 AM Response to Reply #84 |
86. As I said, you will be eating your words here |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 05:00 AM Response to Reply #86 |
91. i've seen you predict about 20 apocalypses that never materialized. |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 05:01 AM Response to Reply #91 |
93. Pot meet kettle. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 05:04 AM Response to Reply #93 |
95. what disaster have i *ever* predicted? link me to it. |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 05:09 AM Response to Reply #95 |
99. Waaa? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 05:18 AM Response to Reply #99 |
100. link me. |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 05:03 AM Response to Reply #86 |
94. Nuclear physics is a hobby, not my career. |
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ohheckyeah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 05:06 AM Response to Reply #94 |
96. brain surgery is my hobby |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 05:08 AM Response to Reply #96 |
98. Well, I am a pre-law student. So I guess I will eventually have no soul. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 05:07 AM Response to Reply #94 |
97. Ah a hobby I see |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 05:18 AM Response to Reply #97 |
101. eat your own damn words. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 04:20 PM Response to Reply #82 |
110. he hasn't come back yet to eat his words. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 05:26 AM Response to Original message |
105. I think I'll just wait and see |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 07:05 AM Response to Reply #105 |
109. I believe we have now seen. |
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