Sorry my hysteria got the best of me here....there was a disclaimer.

[jus_the_facts]

....I'll leave it up anyway. :banghead:

http://www.stormsurfing.com/cgi/display_alt.cgi?a=npac_250




Don't know if this is accurate...found it posted on another website. x(

[aquart]

1. Heard the wind was blowing west, not east.

[jus_the_facts]

3. This would be the jet stream...I reckon.

[CreekDog]

5. from who? the flat earthers?

the latitude of the quake is in the prevailing westerlies.

if the breeze is off the sea (from the east) at the surface once in a while, you can be sure at upper levels it will be from the west.

haven't you ever looked at a weather map?

here in Northern California, we watch the storms travel from off Japan across the Pacific to us ever single winter.

some originate off Alaska, but things move west to east.

[krispos42]

31. From November 1944 to April 1945, Japan launched over 9,300 balloon bombs at the US

They traveled on the jet stream in about 3 days and were loaded with incendiary bombs, the intention being to ignite massive forest and prairie wildfires in the US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_balloon_bombs

:shrug:

At least 300 made it over here. Fortunately for us, it's snowy and damp during the time the jet stream was strongest.

[CreekDog]

41. fortunately why? that will bring radioactive fallout to ground level quicker than anything else

:shrug:

[krispos42]

42. I was referring to the balloon attacks

When the incendiaries exploded, it was in circumstances unlikely to cause wildfires.


With the fallout, it will fall down sooner. On the plus side, a good storm might get a lot of it to fall into the ocean before it hits land.

:shrug:

Dunno.

[Hannah Bell]

2. if you don't know whether it's accurate, how is it useful to anyone?

[Skip_In_Boulder]

8. Gives us something to talk about. n/t

[aquart]

4. That's a radiation detection company, not a gov't agency.

http://www.australian-radiation-services.com.au/

[joshcryer]

7. Beat me. ;)

[joshcryer]

6. Could be BS viral marketing:

http://www.australian-radiation-services.com.au/

[jus_the_facts]

10. Culd be REAL too....if the reactor melts the radiation blows a long ass way and FAST.

[Paradoxical]

16. Do you have any idea how radioactive particles are formed from a reactor accident?

Or are you just kind of poking a stick around in the dark?

[AtheistCrusader]

22. 750 rads is lethal to humans in not more than 2 hours.

Utter bullshit.

The Soviet Union could have won a nuclear war with us by dropping a normal bomb on a japanese reactor if this was even possible. It's not. Relax.

Total hoax.

[obliviously]

9. I don't think that is from Australia

It looks more like it's from w.Scambia to me.

[canetoad]

12. Not a scam

Legit company, legit business number.

[shireen]

20. i checked their website, could not find it

it may be a legit company, but that doesn't mean they created it.

[AtheistCrusader]

23. The map is a hoax.

You will not find it on the ACTUAL company's site.

It's contents are simply impossible to occur from a physics standpoint.

[Mybrokenchains]

11. on a lighter note, next season of Deadliest Catch will feature glowing fishcrabs

[MilesColtrane]

13. This map brought to you by Acme Mutant Exterminators.

Remember, spray now to avoid trouble later.

[Paradoxical]

14. That map is a load of bullshit.

No explanation is made as to what type of circumstances must arise for such a risk to be relevant.

If the argument is that a reactor meltdown would cause such an event, they are lying through their goddamn teeth.

Seriously, people. I expect a higher level of intelligence from you guys than I'm getting.

[diane in sf]

17. Chernobyl spewed radiation all over Europe--so tell us why you think this map is bogus

some detail would bolster your statement.

[Paradoxical]

24. The Chernobyl disaster deposited radiation on every continent.

There's a big difference between showing a map where the radiation will settle and showing a map suggesting that there will be near fatal doses of radiation 4000 miles from the power plant.

That is fucking dumb in every sense of the word.

[AtheistCrusader]

25. Because if all the reactors in Japan burned to the ground, it would not fling

750 rads over the entire US. It's ridiculous. You couldn't run fast or far enough. Everything dies. There's no way. The numbers are totally made up.

[intheflow]

27. Spewed radiation but not at the levels

indicated by this map. The atomic bombs that have been dropped were only lethal within a radius of 500 miles. Fallout travels throughout the atmosphere but is diluted the further it travels. California is 5500 miles away from this meltdown. It's highly unlikely that radiation from this disaster would noticeably affect U.S. public health.

But this should damn well serve to shut up the idjits who keep calling nuclear a clean, cheap and safe energy alternative. Ideally it should serve as a catalyst to shut down US nuke plants. Ah! A girl can dream, can't she?

*Edited for typos.

[krispos42]

15. Okay, absorption of an equivilent dose of 6+ Sv units of radiation is fatal

Let's see here. Assuming atomic nuclei floating around in the sky, that gives a "Q" of 20.

Looks like the human body is about N = 0.08


Okay, so 750 rads falls on Los Angeles. That's 7.5 grays.

7.5 grays x Q x N = 7.5 x 20 x 0.08 = 12 Sv.



Shit.


I'd appreciate it if somebody who knows more than I and my 20-minutes-with-Wikipedia knowledge corrected my math by an order of magnitude or two!

[Paradoxical]

19. That map is almost certainly calculating for all of the reactors materials.

Which in reality will never happen. If the entire reactor burned, only a given percentage of it's original contents would end up being airborne particles.

I'm not an expert on the spread of radiation. But the idea that a single reactor melt-down could create 75% of fatal dosage of ionizing radiation 4000 miles away sounds like the dumbest thing to ever stumble out of the mouths of the anti-nuclear crowd.

1000 rads or more is generally held as a fatal dose.

[krispos42]

21. It seems excessive to me as well. However...

... lord knows what a brisk wind and sunny skies will do.

Question: was nuclear waste stored there as well? If something happened, say a large heat source was developed in the nearby vicinity, could that vaporize some or all of the nuclear waste?


I know we're dumb enough to store nuclear waste next to a nuclear powerplant for a couple of decades, but are the Japanese?

[nadinbrzezinski]

28. It tends to degrade exponnentially

from memory... alpha and beta can be stopped by news paper and simple clothes, and gama well...

Anyhow this is a worst case scenario, why I was kidding ONLY 750 Rads I feel cheated.

Can you feel the gallows humor?

I can almost smell, WORST CASE, people will be advised to STAY HOME and INDOORS for a few days. But this is a worst case, and I am assuming, almost, a multiple reactor failure with multiple containment failure.

Yes will do wonders to the economy and the panic to come...

Now if you really want to lower your exposure, as the joke used to go... find a nice cave... or even a nice underground shelter,

I am hoping that the max release we get is the venting... and that the damn containment does hold... that has a few other problems... half life, and all that... but hey... that will literally be for generations to worry.

[krispos42]

36. Find a nice cave... until the radon gets you

Better lace up your lead-lined britches!

[nadinbrzezinski]

37. What can I say?

It should not be at 750 rads, to be honest and our fearless leaders will play it down anyway.

I get milk tomorrow for hubby, maybe on Monday... not after that, for at least a month.

[krispos42]

39. Looks like my move back to the East Coast was well-timed

I'd rather be among the corn than the traffic. Unless the corn begins to glow, of course.

[nadinbrzezinski]

40. Should I start with GODZILLA jokes

[Paradoxical]

30. No. Nothing short of an actual nuclear explosion would do that.

The storage vessels for spent nuclear waste are essentially the strongest human designed containers in history.



They've dropped them off buildings onto giant nails, crashed freight trains into them at 100 mph, set them on fire and let them burn for hours at thousands of degrees. They are basically indestructible.

And just to clarify, there is basically ZERO possibility of an actual nuclear explosion occurring due to this accident. The physics are simply not there.


It is perfectly safe to store spent nuclear fuel next to a nuclear power plant.

[krispos42]

38. Oh, I know an actual nuclear explosion won't happen.

You need an implosion to get enough nuclei in the fog of flying neutrons to get a chain reaction.

But, when you release in a day all the heat that's suppose to come out in a year...


That's a lotta heat.


Nice to see the nuclear waste is stored so nicely. I still wish it wasn't on a fault line next to a nuclear reactor, though. Just seems a bit unwise. :shrug:

[upi402]

26. This wind pattern link:

http://www.stormsurfing.com/cgi/display_alt.cgi?a=npac_250
is great. Thanks!

[AtheistCrusader]

29. It's an impossible amount.

The map is hosted on 'imageshack' when the supposed source has it's own site, and the file is not to be found.
The map indicates 'radiation' in a way that is simply not done. It would be rads/hour or curies or a number of ways. This map is non-sensical.
It would require more uranium than is probably available in ALL of Japan.


It's a hoax.

[Snoutport]

18. at least it goes over wasilla

[gateley]

35. Bwah! Always a silver lining! nt

[bindelh]

32. Break out the Duct Tape

You'll be just fine.. heh heh

:hurts:

[meow mix]

33. K&r

[gateley]

34. I'm afraid you'll have to change your user name, too, but other than that, you're forgiven.

:pals: