Radiation Leak Impact on Human Health

[jus_the_facts]

Unfortunately, we’ve learned time and again that government sources lie in these situations – Chernobyl, the 9-11 attacks, the BP oil spill – they lie at first, I guess, to try and prevent panic. Then they seem to lie to coverup their former lies, then reveal it all years later when few are watching. Whatever the reason, anyone trusting “official” sources is ignoring history.

http://oilspillaction.com/radiation-leak-impact-on-human-health-could-surpass-chernobyl

[xchrom]

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[Rex]

2. But unlike all those, anyone can buy a geiger counter and tell

if they are being bombarded by radiation from the reactor in Japan. Also, other nations would have to be in on a global conspiracy to keep the general public in the dark about looming death from radiation sickness.

In other words, their lies won't hide the facts this time - if it is true that the reactor is releasing huge amounts of radiation into the atmosphere. Someone will find out and already should know the answer.

[peacetalksforall]

3. I find I can't even read the detals - we hear that Japan has superior contingency plans

for tsunamis - they conduct drills - they plan it all out?

Well, what the heck happened to the industrial world? They didn't build in ANY contingency plans for running out of electricity? And yet this profit driven industrial world build these in the heart of earthquake/tsumani islands?

The profit motive is destroying this planet and politicians pave the way.

Please correct me if I'm wrong on any part.

[FBaggins]

6. I think you do need correcting.

With respect of course.

There were superior contingency plans... and plenty of them were in "the industrial world"

The earthquake in Haiti was about 1/100th as powerful (possibly even more). Yet how many hundreds of thousands were killed? Over a million homeless?

This earthquake was massively larger AND had a significant tsunami, yet the overall impact on Japan was not as substantial. This is entirely due to superior contingency plans, superior building codes, superior technology and warning systems.

But mother nature is a very powerful force. When she gets her dander up, there's sometimed nothing you can do about it. If she decides to pop the cork under Yosemite, most of the U.S. population will die... and it won't have thing one to do with our corporate profit motives or inferior contingency plans.

Sometimes s41t happens, ya know?

[peacetalksforall]

9. Isn't the original post here all about not having electricity at the plant? That was what I was

referring to. It sounded dire to me. They have overlapping needs and requirements to run them - and it sure sounds like there is/was a concern.

[Peace Patriot]

14. We've spent $7 BILLION on helping Colombia's military murder trade unionists and others,

and the cocaine just keeps on coming. If we'd spent that money on a Yosemite preparedness plan, how many people could we save? And I can think of hundreds of other safety/prevention projects that are underfunded or being de-funded, while the government has wasted literally trillions of dollars on "wars of choice." And I was just thinking today (because of an article I was reading) of the unavailability of National Guard troops in the BP disaster, because they were in Iraq!

Yes, shit happens. No question about it. But decisions like wasting billions of dollars on a corrupt, murderous, failed "war on drugs," and trillions for stuffing war profiteer pockets and bolstering U.S. corporate control of more oil, cripple our ability to minimize loss of life and other damage when natural disasters occur. Katrina is another example. Also, decisions such as putting nuclear reactors in heavily populated areas, that are especially earthquake prone, ADD to the potential loss of life and other damage.

Shit happens, the BP disaster (wretched safety record, de-regulation). Shit happens, Katrina (government didn't give a shit). Shit happens, Japan (9.0 earthquake hits nuke plants). Shit happens, Haiti (where the U.S. has been grossly interfering and preventing good government for decades). What about the "shit" that we make happen--through negligence, and loss of democracy here, or perversity and greed? And what about the "shit" that is made much worse because of the wrongful use of economic, military and other resources?

It's a smug answer to say that "shit happens." It's good to be philosophical and to resist hysteria and overreaction. But it's not good to be smug. And I imagine that there were some in Japan who had exactly that attitude, when concerned people proposed tsunami preparation--including civil drills and alarm systems all over tsunami-vulnerable areas, and better building codes, and extra safety precautions in nuclear power facilities. Probably some said, "Don't put nukes there," and others scoffed at them (especially those who stood to gain from the nuke plants). It is wrong to scoff at people who are concerned about safety. Shit happens--and how do we deal with that shit--and how do we NOT make shit worse and how do we NOT make shit happen (--wars, toxic spills, pollution, climate change droughts and floods, heart disease, et al)?

[peacetalksforall]

17. Excellent comments. Because of my low opinion about how the capitalistic industrial world works

within the structure of diplomatic, multi-national partnerships, under the umbrella of the Bilderberg World Order - I would guess that there was a lot of pressure on Japan to build for nuclear. What would it look like if a so-called sovereign Japan said no to nuclear and gave the reasons - how could we build another Turkey Point on the oceans edge just a little northwest of the plate under Haiti/Hispaniola - and how did we put a plant up right on the California interconnected faults. It sure wouldn't look good if a case with analysis was presented by Japan announcing a NO decision - and it would be just too hard for Japan to say no to 'assistance' and 'persuasion'. I'm just wandering here beause I suspect making money for (their)self and friends (nuclear suppliers) is where the proof is at - peeled off and revealed to us every day with increasing frequency and clarity.

Thanks for your post - I really approve.

[Hannah Bell]

8. they have plenty of contingency plans.

you don't find it remarkable that one day after the 5th-largest earthquake in recorded history, a tsunami, and continuing aftershocks & warnings of more tsunamis, with much of the power grid, transport, communication, etc. knocked out, the gov't was able to bring a major nuke incident to an apparently good conclusion?

the subways are runnning in tokyo again & power is back on in a lot of areas.

the japanese are doing a damn sight better than we did in new orleans as far as i'm concerned.

but i agree with you about the profit motive. imo, this would have concluded more quickly if the techs had put public safety first rather than trying to save the plant. that's *my* speculation, anyway.

[peacetalksforall]

10. Maybe I replied on the wrong thread. I was sure I read that there was a dire situation

related to electricity. I posted above also. I only wrote about the electriciy situation.

[upi402]

13. Yes, with alternate forms of electricity generation all would be OK

in terms of melt-down prevention. Water would be pumping and rods would be cooled. DER is the answer, Distributed Energy Resources = all forms of alternative energy.

And building these in tsunami zones was stupid, especially since they are so advanced otherwise. But land is at a premium, so...$$$

[FBaggins]

4. The only difference they can think of...

...is "One big difference is that this nuclear threat will not play out in the relative privacy of Soviet-era Ukraine. This is a prime-time event – more than 17 news helicopters hovered off coastal Los Angeles yesterday to document relatively low-threat waves." ???


How about a few that are more relevant?

1) IF there's a significant meltdown (at least a partial one seems certain at this point), it will have occured many hours after the reactor was shut down. While Chernobyl actually powered UP during the accident. That's a BIG difference.

2) Chernobyl's core contained material that burns in the presense of oxygen and there was a significant fire. All that smoke carried massive amounts of radioactive materials hundreds (really thousands) of miles.

3) The explosion here reportedly took out the building that the reactor is in. The explosion at Chernobyl was in the core and some portion of the core was itself blown out of the building.

4) As is often cited, Chernobyl had no core containment vessel or containment building. It's possible for a reactor to completely melt down and still release next to nothing into the environment. We don't know whether either will occur at this point. This is clearly the shouldn't-ever-happen live test of nuclear containment, but there's every reason to believe that it's working. This wasn't even a possility at Chernobyl

5) Did anyone happen to notice that there was a record-breaking earthquake? Chernobyl failed due to human error and poor design, but it failed on an otherwise normal day. That wasn't the case here. Things do occasionally break when mama nature clears her throat. :)

I'm sure we could think of a dozen more... before we ever get to discussion reactors that weren't designed 50+ years ago.

[Dogmudgeon]

5. This article may be lying, too

Nobody knows anything for sure, yet lots of people are using this to make their political points.

It's mainly the anti-nukes now. If it turns out there's less damage than the news ginned up, the pro-nukes will. Keep in mind that when the first reports of Chernobyl came in, we were hearing things like tens of thousands dead and millions dying. Actual numbers: Under 80 dead within one year; expected 4,000 (UN) to 25,000 (R. Garwin) deaths by 2065-2100.

All we have now is pure speculation, snap judgments. I'd prefer to wait for actual evidence. There will be quite a lot of investigatory work done by engineers and scientists and physicians.

Them, I trust.

--d!

[jus_the_facts]

7. About 140,000 evacuated from area of Japan nuke plant(S), IAEA reports - Reuters

[jus_the_facts]

11. kick

[upi402]

12. And those who try to warn, are smeared as slavering for disaster

Could not be further from the truth. In fact, averting needless disaster is the goal.

Stupid should hurt

[jus_the_facts]

15. Indeed....

Thanks!

[upi402]

16. Potassium Iodine is sold out in my area

4 Pharmacies have no idea what I'm talking about.
Supplement stores say they've had a run on KI. One said "of course" because she's aware.

Sea vegetables are good sources;



•Wakame is a sea vegetable that requires soaking and is a great addition to your soup.
•Arame does not require cooking, but does need to be soaked for about 15 minutes before you eat it. It is a good addition to a garden fresh salad.
•Dulse can be purchased in the form of flakes which are easy to add to your daily salad or your salad dressing. They add a salty flavor and are especially liked by children.
•Hijiki is referred as the "beauty vegetable" by the Japanese and is the vegetable that is given credit for the lustrous, long hair and beautiful skin of the Japanese women. Once soaked, hijiki makes a nice accompaniment to vegetable dishes and goes well with fish.
•Kombu is a great addition to any soup. It will add a nice salty flavor and softens as it cooks.
•Kelp is typically sold in the form of kombu.
•Irish Moss can be used as a thickening agent for any liquid. Simply heat it in the liquid and allow to cool.
•Nori is another convenient sea vegetable because it can be purchased as flat sheets and used like a tortilla.
•Agar Agar is amazing when used as a thickening agent for puddings or gelatins. A very healthy addition to any dish that needs to be thickened.


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