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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 05:20 PM
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LA Times food critic photographed & ousted from restaurant, photo posted online
Edited on Thu Dec-23-10 05:25 PM by Liberal_in_LA
Food critic outed and ousted from restaurant


www.eater.com
Our purpose for posting this is so that all restaurants can have a picture of her and make a decision as to whether or not they would like to serve her. We find that some her reviews can be unnecessarily cruel and irrational, and that they have caused hard-working people in this industry to lose their jobs -- we don't feel that they should be blind-sided by someone with no understanding of what it takes to run or work in a restaurant.
http://eater.com/archives/2010/12/22/la-times-critic-s-irene-virbila-outed-by-angry-restaurateurs.php

Times critic S. Irene Virbila was waiting for a table at Red Medicine when the manager snapped her photo and told her to leave. It sparked a debate over whether modern critics can — or should — remain anonymous

Los Angeles Times restaurant critic S. Irene Virbila ducked into Red Medicine, a new Beverly Hills restaurant, for some modern Vietnamese food the other night, but got nothing to eat. Instead, she was outed and ousted, her party turned away, her picture snapped and critic's anonymity shredded by the restaurateur himself.

"I always knew at some point a blogger or somebody would take a secret photo. But I never expected that a restaurateur would stick a camera in my face," Virbila said Wednesday.

Virbila was rebuffed, Red Medicine managing partner Noah Ellis said, because "Irene is not the person any of us wanted reviewing our restaurant. … This was not a rash decision."


By Wednesday afternoon, the photo of Virbila was posted on several blogs and websites, including the much-viewed Gawker.com and Eater.com. Virbila's anonymity, which she'd guarded through 16 years as this newspaper's restaurant critic, was a memory. And among foodies, the debate over anonymity — is it still possible or even advisable for a restaurant critic? — was on.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-critic-20101223,0,2330320.story
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IntravenousDemilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 05:22 PM
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1. I can think of one restaurant that's going to get a very bad review, and rightly so. n/m
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smiley Donating Member (602 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 05:32 PM
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4. every restaurant I've worked in...
has had a sign which said "we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone".

Obviously, she was unwelcome at that restaurant.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 08:51 PM
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20. Anonymity can corrupt the soul of certain people every bit as much as the
love of money can. Anyone who can make or break people based on their particular tastes is by nature already corrupt.
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former9thward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 03:37 PM
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42. So anyone writing restaurant reviews is corrupt?
Do you own a restaurant that got a bad review?
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 12:10 AM
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26. If she would give a bad review for a restaurant she didn't eat at...
then she deserves to be kicked out.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 09:32 AM
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35. Ding! Ding!

:thumbsup:

(full disclosure: I've worked in restaurants)
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 10:11 AM
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38. I would expect another critic, who values their anonymity, to handle it. nt
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former9thward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 03:42 PM
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44. She was waiting to be seated.
She did not write a bad review of anything that she did not eat at. This restaurant obviously has shoddy practices that that fear a review.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 03:41 PM
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43. She can't criticize the quality of food she never ate. n/t
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CLANG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 05:29 PM
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2. If your career and livelihood depends on anonymity - you are doomed to eventually flipping burgers
I have no compassion for her except the same compassion that any soul deserves in this world.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 05:30 PM
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3. Sounds like a restaurant to avoid by default. n/t
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 05:32 PM
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5. really.
Shows me they know their food sucks.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 06:31 PM
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10. Interesting comment from a Democrat. Siding with the man. I support the independence. Fuck the man.
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petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 06:39 PM
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12. I would have thought that the capitalist oppressor was more 'The Man' than
the truth-to-power speaking journalist... :shrug:
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 06:48 PM
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14. I know right? Bev Hills restaurant owner is "the victim?"
Um, what?? lol
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 06:58 PM
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16. Then you must be new here. Journalists are right-wing-paid propagandists
for the most part. There are only a few that don't toe the corporate line.
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MicaelS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 09:20 PM
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22. How the fuck can a restaurant critic be a
right-wing-paid propagandist???
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 07:00 PM
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17. Thanks for that. LOL. A snobby restaurant critic and "truth to power". LOL.
Good one.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 12:21 AM
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27. Restaurant critics are journalists now?
Seriously, some old windbag pontificating about the deconstructed ratatouille at Chez Dirtbutton is neither Woodward nor Bernstein.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 03:46 PM
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45. Oh. You mean like the NYT dance critic who criticized a 98 lb woman as being fat?
And of having eaten one too many sugar-plums? Is that the kind of "truth-to-power journalism" you're talking about?

Hmmmm?????
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 05:44 PM
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6. The manager doesn't have a head for business. I wonder if his behavior speaks for the
quality of the food & service.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 06:32 PM
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11. You "wonder"? I appreciate his failure to bow to the bullshit. I would assume he doesnt need to beg
for a good review.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 11:58 PM
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24. So, the point of directing that at me was that you're telling me I'm wrong to feel that way?
I'm not converted.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 11:34 AM
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39. You can think/say what you like. I appreciate that the manager put his feelings ahead of his "busine
business head" and didnt kowtow to the snobby critic.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 03:27 PM
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41. You can think what you like, as well, but what interested me was that you
directed your anger at my opposing view, which comes off as authoritarian, instead of replying to the OP.

This goes on a lot on DU, I know, but observing it so often has taught me patience with opposing views.

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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 05:09 PM
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46. What did I say that makes you think I am angry? Have a good holiday. nm
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 05:45 PM
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7. Why do some here take her side? Isn't it our right to face our accusers?
:shrug:
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 06:51 PM
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15. Enough to tell her, we know who you are and
We don't want you to review this restaurant, so we decline to give you a table.

Making the party wait for 40 minutes, then doing the photo and etc., just plain rude. Reviewers are a part of the restaurant business. Frankly I think the professional ones are more fair than the anonymous "Yelp / real people" reviewers which are sometimes just competitors or people with a bone to pick personally with the owner..
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Stevenmarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 09:17 PM
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21. Total nonsense
This is not a court of law it's a restaurant and a restaurant critics anonymity insures that they get the same food and restaurant experience as any average diner that visits the establishment.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 11:25 PM
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23. This isn't court
One restaurant reviewer's opinions are only relevant if other people take them seriously. If she were a mere hack, few would accord her any respect. Clearly, her paper thinks otherwise.

Reviewers are part of the public's voice on the quality of goods and services sold in a free economy. Anonymity means that any business wanting a good review means that all customers deserve to get treated as well as an influential writer.

I don't know anything about this reviewer or this restaurant, but the "secret shopper" is something that good businesses use to keep themselves ahead of their competition. I approve wholeheartedly the idea that everyone, regular known customer, or one-time visitor be treated with the same dignity and respect.
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somone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 05:46 PM
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8. Sounds overpriced - $12 for a Vietnamese sandwich?
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 05:48 PM
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9. \
Edited on Thu Dec-23-10 05:49 PM by RUMMYisFROSTED
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 06:47 PM
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13. It was rude to make her wait 40 minutes and then throw her out
The restaurant guy sounds like such an ass. My feeling is if the management is that rude to her they would be to another customer as well. They should have politely asked her to leave, requested not to be reviewed, if they are afraid of the review.
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Stevenmarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 08:39 PM
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19. Looks like Virbila will be the new owner of Red Medicine
She can sue him out of existence for ruining her ability to work as she has been working the past 16 years.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 12:09 AM
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25. She won't get a dime.
Edited on Fri Dec-24-10 12:12 AM by TexasObserver
She has absolutely no viable cause of action against the restaurant owner.

He has no duty to serve her, to like her, or to shield her image. She's a public person who makes her living criticizing everything from the lighting to the waitstaff. She may wish to remain anonymous, but her published column makes her otherwise.

That's not to say she won't get an attorney. But it is a loser case if she tries.

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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 12:24 AM
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28. She has no right to anonymity. nt
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 12:24 AM
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29. See this is why I love this fucking place so much.
Take a hundred thousand people or so, and some seem to float to the top. Among DUers who float to the top, some see the critic as "speaking truth to power" and some see the critic as "the man".

How cool is that? A group of people whose hearts are essentially in the same place in the context of the larger picture, but at total extreme opposite ends of the scale on the little stuff.

Gotta love this place!
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 12:25 AM
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30. "Try our new special -- WikiLeek Soup." nt
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 05:55 AM
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32. Bwahaha!!
:spray:
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blueamy66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 05:30 AM
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31. Okay, what is her "real" first nameq
and why does she look like she just crawled outta bed?
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 06:40 AM
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33. I think they made a mistake..
... rather than "out" her they should have used their privileged information to make sure she got the best meal possible.

The only possible exception to that would be if she is one of those "critics" that just makes it up, publishes reviews that bear no relationship to the quality of the food.

They seem to be claiming that, but I have no idea if they are correct.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 09:15 AM
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34. I find a great majority of the time
the restaurant critics are dead on in their reviews.

It's like a movie going straight to the theaters before it's been reviewed. The movie maker knows the movie is shit but wants to get it out before it's reviewed like shit.
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 09:42 AM
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36. Food critics can't stay anonymous.
At the newspaper I once worked at, we even went to the extreme to use a line drawing of her for her column ID, rather than a photo like we did other columnists. People still knew who she was.

A lot of legends were built up around her, some of which included favoritism of friends who ran a small place outside of town; giving poor reviews to places that were located in "less-than-trendy" areas; and leaving tips of one penny apiece for herself and her companions at the end of the meal.

I knew her slightly and she was not a nice person. I always took her stuff with a huge, huge grain of salt.
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 09:51 AM
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37. Sounds like the restaurant owner is a very accurate shooter of his own foot.
He comes across as snobbish douchebag and basically gives everyone a negative view of his restaurant as if there is something to hide by denying her access to his restaurant.

Since he already knew who she was, he should have served her the best meal of her life (may even video taped it, the service!) Instead, he finds the dumbest thing to do. He even said it was a bad idea.



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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 11:35 AM
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40. I agree. He should have kowtowed to her every wish and begged for a good review. nm
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