map went poof

[kpete]

map gone, but here is a guy up and reporting live:
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/yokosonews


So Bill Nye, the Science Guy, was on CNN a few minutes ago. He started straying from the rosy scenario that all is under control. The anchors interrupted him because an actual rescue was taking place. The reporter narrating the helicopter rescue said rescues like that were happening by the hundreds all over Japan. They never did get back around to Bill Nye!


good graphic:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=fukushima-core

[Cali_Democrat]

1. I'm really starting to freak out

Shit!

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. That map is wrong

well except for the wind patterns... after that, all of it is wrong.

[Cali_Democrat]

12. So is the current outlook worse or better than this?

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. The rads, for example is all wrong in all kinds of ways

750 is a lethal dose...

worst case and that means all hell breaks and all kinds of failures... 200-300, which are bad enough, that is the kind of worst case that probably won't happen.

The only accurate thing of that thing, in a very broad sense, is the wind pattern.

[Little Star]

2. That map is scary looking!

[L. Coyote]

18. This might help a lot:

[Ellipsis]

3. It's a hoax!

[L. Coyote]

4. Isn't this the map that was called bogus?

BOGUS FALLOUT MAP:

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. Yep

[Ellipsis]

7. yes.

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. This map, especially when it comes to the rads

is not just wrong, but dead wrong.

I will not joke, since people didn't get it last night. But 750 rads is a lethal dose.

If we get 300 it means all kinds of hell broke lose.

Oh and that means iodine pills too.

The lethality goes down in exponential levels, why Time (of exposure) and Distance (from the zone) are so damn critical.

[B2G]

8. 750 rads will kill you in days

This map is crap.

[proud2BlibKansan]

10. Bill Nye, the nuclear expert

LOL

[neverforget]

11. They got back to Bill Nye. He said that using sea water to cool the reactor

is a last ditch effort as it's never been done before.

As for the map, I am in Oregon and hoping that the Japanese get the reactor under control.

[liberalmuse]

14. My uncle sent this to me tonight...

but we usually disregard the kind of stuff he sends because he's gone slightly crazy in his old age (runs in the family, which is awesome), though my sister and I laughed at that email he sent about plug-ins starting house fires until her plug-in melted. Anyway, found this info on rads - so either the map is bullshit, or the rad info is. If not, it was nice knowing you guys:

0-50 rads - No obvious short-term effects

80-120 rads - You have a 10% chance of vomiting and experiencing nausia for a few days

130 -170 rads - You have a 25% chance of vomiting and contracting other symptoms

180-220 rads - You have a 50% chance of vomiting and having other severe physical effects

270-330 rads - 20% chance of death in 6 weeks, or you will recover in a few months.

400-500 rads - 50% chance of death

550-750 rads - Nausia within a few hours ; no survivors

> 1000 rads - immediate incapacitation and death within a week or less.

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. Time (exposure) + Distance (we are on the other side of the pacific)

we will not see 750 rads.

This map is wrong, except for the wind pattern.

[hootinholler]

15. Where did you get the map?

I didn't see it at your links and was hoping to get teh scenario context it represents.

-Hoot

[Cetacea]

16. How long does it take to tell if a meltdown occurred?

Seems a bit odd that no one knows for certain.

[pinto]

19. "YokosoNews is an online social media about travel, lifestyle, study and entertainment in Japan."

(just an aside) Not sure how much credence I'd give to the source, fwiw.

:shrug:

[Night Crawler]

20. Bill "Science Guy" Nye to break down nuclear science -

after the break. Dora the Explorer w/ a look at oil futures. Then Kermit will explain why it isn't easy being green.

[adigal]

21. Oh, God, you made me laugh!!

Thanks.

[B2G]

22. Hahaha!!

Brilliant.

[Yo_Mama]

23. So far the max radiation measured is 120 rads

But 120 rads/rems (1200 milliSieverts) was right outside the containment vessel. Even at the gate it seems to have been measured as in the 70s/80s (less than 1 rad).

So the map doesn't make any sense at all. Radiation follows the inverse square law:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/forces/isq.html
That means that you can't get an even distribution of 300 rad over a thousand miles.

It might frighten a few people into ulcers, though, so the map cannot be called innocuous. 1 CAT scan might deliver 10-15 milliSieverts (mSv). Many people have to have several in one year.

There is a place in India where background radiation seems to get over 200 milliSieverts at peak each year. The human population is healthy and all their kids are born normally and they experience normal lifespans.

Generally, the peak accepted radiation dose for a worker exposed to radiation is 50 milliSieverts per year; 100 milliSieverts in five years. That allows for some safety margin. A nuclear plant is supposed to limit public exposure to 1 milliSievert annually. So they have exceeded limits, but at this point, one would not expect significant health problems even for those a half mile outside of the Daiichi plant, much less for some poor Mom on the US west coast worrying about her kids.

It's rather cruel to spread this type of misinformation IMO. The EPA estimates that radon in the US causes more than 20,000 lung cancer deaths a year. That may be an overestimate, but even so, right now the most significant radiation risk to the US population is radon:
http://www.epa.gov/radon/pubs/citguide.html#results