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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:01 PM Original message |
Explain to me why US public schools are paid for by property taxes. |
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Dyedinthewoolliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:05 PM Response to Original message |
1. Where else are you going to get the money? |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Why not? Isn't the future of the entire country obviously dependent on the education |
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LongIslandGuy (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:07 PM Response to Original message |
2. Doesn't make much sense to me, either |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:08 PM Response to Original message |
3. I always thought they should be funded from |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:09 PM Response to Original message |
4. Probably so each community can support their own schools |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:11 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. And yet, oddly.... |
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adigal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 08:54 AM Response to Reply #8 |
90. Yes, wealthy communities spend more per student |
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Historic NY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:10 PM Response to Original message |
5. Good question because I don't have kids & pay dearly.... |
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theophilus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:23 PM Response to Reply #5 |
19. Pardon me, but Hogwash. You benefit from educated children. n/t |
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Historic NY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:40 PM Response to Reply #19 |
31. Really come to NY for taxes.....its driving folks down south ... |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 10:49 PM Response to Reply #31 |
42. You're right about the tax system driving people down south |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 10:41 AM Response to Reply #31 |
59. "slopping at the trough" |
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Historic NY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 10:50 AM Response to Reply #59 |
63. yes for pork barrel money. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 12:32 PM Response to Reply #63 |
67. Some of us find it sad |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 04:30 PM Response to Reply #63 |
81. Pork Barrel money? Education is now pork? |
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adigal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 08:57 AM Response to Reply #31 |
92. AND, you have a much better school system in NY |
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TygrBright (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:26 PM Response to Reply #5 |
21. Thanks, but I'd rather be sure that the kids running the world when I'm old and helpless... |
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grilled onions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:29 PM Response to Reply #5 |
30. Worse Yet For Seniors |
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liberalhistorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 10:48 PM Response to Reply #30 |
40. Yes, and those "kiddies" will be paying their social security |
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Crystal Clarity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 09:21 AM Response to Reply #40 |
50. I noticed that too. It seems very short-sighted. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 10:42 AM Response to Reply #40 |
60. Those kids will also be working in the hospitals measuring out meds |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 08:14 PM Response to Reply #60 |
85. Don't forget simply voting; at least some of them will be casting ballots. (nt) |
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lumpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 02:43 PM Response to Reply #30 |
76. In some States seniors do get a property tax break depending |
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adigal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 08:59 AM Response to Reply #30 |
93. There is - the STAR program |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 10:47 PM Response to Reply #5 |
39. And this is a perfect illustration of what is wrong with personal property ownership. nt |
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WhaTHellsgoingonhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 09:57 AM Response to Reply #5 |
53. Who paid for your education? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 10:40 AM Response to Reply #5 |
58. Good schools raise your property value |
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toastbutter (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 01:46 PM Response to Reply #5 |
72. That would be selfish... even for a republican |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 02:52 PM Response to Reply #5 |
78. Why have an education system at all then, if you just want the parents to pay tuition? (nt) |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 09:12 AM Response to Reply #5 |
95. Why should it be based on if you have children in the system? You benefit |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:10 PM Response to Original message |
7. That's easy... |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:14 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Yes, they return the value to the entire nation. |
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theophilus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:27 PM Response to Reply #11 |
24. You are correct. We have a daughter in high school and her school is |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 12:34 PM Response to Reply #24 |
68. All schools should get what they need |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:13 PM Response to Original message |
9. Of course...in all fairness... |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:13 PM Response to Original message |
10. Property taxes funding schools insures education ineaquality. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:14 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Oh. |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:20 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. It was how they were created centuries ago |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:23 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Because the poor as it developed were vastly more likely to rent. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:18 PM Response to Original message |
13. In principle, it's because real property doesn't move. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:19 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Thanks for that. I did not know that and am happy to hear the theory behind it. nt |
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TygrBright (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:23 PM Response to Original message |
17. Because local control of schools is a cherished icon of American politics. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:27 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. Thanks for the informative post!! nt |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:23 PM Response to Original message |
18. Don't know why but it is screwed up. Here in the Ohio rust belt |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:24 PM Response to Original message |
20. Under the quaint 18th century theory that land is linked to income. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:29 PM Response to Reply #20 |
28. Ah, that makes sense! |
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2Design (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:26 PM Response to Original message |
22. some states instituted lottery to pay and then drain those funds to elsewhere or |
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One_Life_To_Give (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:26 PM Response to Original message |
23. Give a Tennesee teacher a Westchester country teachers salary |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:27 PM Response to Original message |
26. Because we are a stupid-ass nation that thinks "local control" supercedes any larger entity. |
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kickysnana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:46 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. Wait a minute... |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 09:11 AM Response to Reply #33 |
46. You lost me. |
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kickysnana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 07:00 PM Response to Reply #46 |
82. It is too easy to take money from "those people there" |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:27 PM Response to Original message |
27. US public schools are not solely supported by property taxes in any locale. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:29 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Your second paragraph is not relevant (worthy, but not relevant). |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 11:14 PM Response to Reply #29 |
43. Yes Master. Anything you say. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 09:12 AM Response to Reply #43 |
47. I try to stay with coherence. |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:43 PM Response to Original message |
32. 30k in Manhattan is not equal to 30k in Central Iowa. So local contributions going |
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zbdent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:56 PM Response to Original message |
34. maybe because the value of the piece of land you're on goes up |
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toastbutter (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 01:54 PM Response to Reply #34 |
74. I took little to no educational costs from the state |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
35. In CA, the state level funds the schools. |
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MindPilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 09:00 PM Response to Original message |
36. The problem is we don't base education funding on what it costs. |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 09:08 PM Response to Original message |
37. so the people with the nice houses get the nice schools and |
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MikeW (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 09:16 AM Response to Reply #37 |
48. old tax idea |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 10:43 AM Response to Reply #48 |
61. I don't have any kids, should I get a refund? |
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MikeW (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 08:07 PM Response to Reply #61 |
84. read what I said |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 10:37 PM Response to Original message |
38. There really are only three things you can tax |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 10:49 PM Response to Original message |
41. Well if we nationalize it they will just cut it like everything else that is not Pentagon-related, |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 09:19 AM Response to Reply #41 |
49. Could turn the public schools into military schools ... |
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SheilaT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 04:40 AM Response to Original message |
44. It's the way we've always done it. |
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DailyGrind51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 08:37 AM Response to Original message |
45. To maintain inequality in education! |
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tabbycat31 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 10:46 AM Response to Reply #45 |
62. Just because a school district is wealthy does not make it great |
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DailyGrind51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 10:55 AM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Why, because the teachers made you do homework? How do you define "great"? |
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tabbycat31 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 09:27 PM Response to Reply #64 |
83. the school ran on a very one size fits all mode |
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Capitalocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 12:37 PM Response to Reply #45 |
69. +1. These things don't happen by accident. nt |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
51. I agree, it doesn't make any sense. Schools should be paid for by all |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 09:52 AM Original message |
You just trotted the elephant into the room. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
52. You just trotted the elephant into the room. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
54. Whatever the origins, nowadays it's an essential part of maintaining the class system. |
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sammytko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 10:18 AM Response to Original message |
55. that's the way its been since time began. Each village was responsible |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
56. I think it dates to the bill that carved out the states of |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 10:30 AM Response to Original message |
57. Do you really want it tied to income taxes? |
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DailyGrind51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 12:04 PM Response to Reply #57 |
66. If it was tied to state income taxes, all school districts would receive the same per student |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 04:23 PM Response to Reply #66 |
80. And if income tax receipts decline by 15%, does every employee get a 15% pay cut? |
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DailyGrind51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 08:20 PM Response to Reply #80 |
86. Income taxes are imposed by each state so the burden becomes uniform, along |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 08:46 AM Response to Reply #86 |
87. I'll slow this down for you a bit. |
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DailyGrind51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 10:47 AM Response to Reply #87 |
96. Property taxes impose an unfair hardship on the residents of less fortunate communities. |
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AmandaMae (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
65. Good point. I don't understand it either. |
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DefenseLawyer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
70. Property taxes are a pretty fair source of revenue |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
71. We live in Florida. Education is paid with lottery money. |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 02:47 PM Response to Reply #71 |
77. The plan was for the lottery to supplement the education budget, but, that |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 02:59 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. Thanks for the dates on the changes. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
73. I believe we do this to keep the classes separate. nt |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
75. It's a holdover from feudal society. |
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Ichingcarpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 08:51 AM Response to Reply #75 |
88. Not that far from the truth.. Education is handled differently depending |
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adigal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 08:53 AM Response to Original message |
89. I agree...should be a sales tax, maybe??? |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 09:10 AM Response to Reply #89 |
94. No; sales-taxes always hit the poor the hardest. The solution is to put property taxes into a |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 08:55 AM Response to Original message |
91. Taxes are the likely way to pay for public schools |
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