Calm down People, CALM DOWN.....Nukes are as safe as......

[VoteProgressive]

Deep Water Drilling!

So just chill out!

[Bonobo]

1. You think that's worthy as an OP?

Really?

[VoteProgressive]

3. Yes, because we went through this shit in the gulf! And here we go again!

[Forkboy]

15. I think it is.

[Zoeisright]

17. Yes. Because we're killing ourselves with this stupidity.

Enough with the toxic, expensive energy sources we can't control and that rise up to kill us.

ENOUGH.

[Thunderstruck]

23. Yes. Because those here minimizing this are encouraging our friends on the

west coast that they shouldn't make whatever preparations they deem necessary to avoid having their thyroids glow from irradiation coming in on the air currents.

This is one case where it doesn't hurt to assume, and prepare for, the worse.

[Hannah Bell]

30. i'm on the west coast. washington, about 40 miles from the coast.

[originalpckelly]

2. Maybe we should put a thing like, um, to keep them from blowing up...

you could call it a blow out preventer!

[VoteProgressive]

4. Great idea! That seems like a device that would never fail!

[Paradoxical]

5. 14,000 accumulative years worth of service with only 2 major accidents.

Nuclear power makes drilling for oil look about as safe as walking into oncoming traffic.

[VoteProgressive]

8. But a nuke accident can kill thousand. A big downside.

[Paradoxical]

11. No doubt about it. A severe nuclear accident can kill thousands.

[Tx4obama]

19. Why don't you use the phrase ' 57 years' instead, it would be more to the point.

If a person buys a new TV and it breaks after two years, no one goes around saying "Hey be happy, your TV worked without a problem for 1,051,200 minutes."

[joshcryer]

21. What?

Reading comprehension fail?

[Tx4obama]

26. No. I have not failed.

Talking about 14,000 years of blah blah blah .... is just a distraction.

The first nuclear power plant that went on the power grid was 57 years ago.

Using the 14,000 years of accumulative service is just a TALKING POINT used by PRO-NUKE folks - folks that in my opinion are probably getting paid to spread they talking points propaganda.

[Paradoxical]

27. Your child-like paranoia is duly noted.

[MadHound]

32. Umm, four major accidents,

NRX, TMI, Chernobyl, and now Fukushima. Untold numbers of smaller incidents, untold numbers of deaths due to cancers and such, because those deaths simply aren't counted as being caused by nuclear accident since they happen years later.

And let us not forget the fact that no non-nuclear accident has laid waste to an area of 2,800 square miles, rendering it uninhabitable.

[rdking647]

6. coal plants release more radiation than nukes

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=coal-ash-is-more-radioactive-than-nuclear-waste

[Iwasthere]

7. Coal

There is an efficient use of the planets resources.

[originalpckelly]

9. Yeah, as we all know, you can get radiation sickness from fly ash.

:eyes:

[VoteProgressive]

10. And cars kill 40,000 a year. But you do not need more nukes.

[AndyTiedye]

12. You Might Want to Wait Until The Ones in Japan Stop Spewing Radiation

The statistics you quote are rapidly becoming obsolete.

[Paradoxical]

13. Totally and utterly false.

The entire plant could explode and the statistics would not change significantly.


The amount of radiation in the reactors is very very large. But relative to a hundred plus years worth of fossil fuel consumption, it's minuscule.

[Forkboy]

16. They both pretty much suck, don't they?

[Zoeisright]

18. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

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[Cleita]

20. Here we go again. According to the nucleargentsia the only

other energy alternative is coal. You guys never talk about anything else, like solar, wind and hydro. Both nukes and coal are bad choices. Until we are able to implement 100% clean energy, we may just have to ration it. We don't have to do coal. Also, the radiation from an accident like Chernobyl will contaminate soil and water for 50,000 years. I don't think coal does that.

[rdking647]

29. when you talk about rationing energy

you lose any chance of the country supporting you..
the REALITY is coal and nuclear are the only 2 choices we have at present. at least here in the real world rather than the utopian world some DU'ers live in

[Cleita]

31. Maybe the country, but for those of us living under

the real threat of a really big earthquake in my county, I think it might gain support once people understand the real imminent danger now and the permanent consequences down the line.

[melm00se]

34. let's talk about

solar: the sun doesn't shine 100% of the time nor with the same intensity as it does in the southwest + you are despoiling nature by building a farm of solar panels in the desert...ecological impact don't you know.

wind: great...until a permit is issued to build one in your backyard, or it threatens the migratory course of some bird

hydro: dam up a river to create the necessary drop to drive turbines? 20 years of ecological impact studies and dozens of lawsuits to protect some sort of wildlife.

any type energy production draws out some set of protesters in whips them into an almost luddite frenzy.

[Cleita]

35. In my area, the Alliance For Nuclear Responsibility has done a study

of the El Diablo nuke plant that pretty much shows that a combination of solar and wind and other energy sources could generate enough electricity for our needs without the nuke plant. Also, conservation efforts would have to be made where unnecessary uses of electricity could be replaced with other means like outdoor home lighting could be replaced with solar lighting. Here read up on it:

http://a4nr.org/
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HINT: Here are a few of the differences….

WIND TURBINES A recent map prepared by the California Energy Commission shows that this area has the highest coastal wind potential in San Luis Obispo County.

SOLAR PANELS Covering the buildings, parking lots, and flat land areas. These are steps that PG&E could be taking today…Transmission lines are already in place!

WAVE ENERGY Generated by the orange buoys in the foreground.

SOLAR THERMAL Parabolic solar mirrors where the reactors domes used to be…and by using closed-loop cooling, the sea cove remains calm and free of thermally heated waters discharged from the reactors…it’s ocean-friendly!

JOB TRAINING CENTER and energy efficiency think-tank in the former administration buildings will create new technologies and green jobs to power the economy. What you can’t see in either photo are the newly discovered earthquake faults beneath the water offshore of the site— faults that the state wants studied with the latest seismic techniques before PG&E is allowed to relicense this plant for 20 more years of radioactive waste generation and storage on our fragile coast.

<snip>

[nadinbrzezinski]

22. Tell me, when was the last time we got an exclusion zone

going still for 25 years and will continue for thousands? from COAL?

Please point to one.

I don't like coal, but nuke is safe as long as it don't fail. When they do, they ARE spectacular.

[FormerDittoHead]

25. Sorry, but that's because they put thousand x tons of waste for every pound that nukes do.

preface: I'm not crazy about coal power. Coal isn't "the only other choice".

I'm thinking that almost 8 million tons of almost anything will have more radioactivity than only 27 tons.

Annual Waste Produced by 1,000 MW Plant:
Nuclear = 27 tons
Coal = 7,841,940 tons

http://nuclearfissionary.com/2010/06/09/energy-density-and-waste-comparison-of-energy-production/

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

33. I hate artificial grass.

[Lint Head]

14. What's a couple of split atoms amoung friends.

[FormerDittoHead]

24. Photons have mass? I didn't even know they were Catholic! n/t

[defendandprotect]

28. We all need our BS meters turned up waaaaay higher -- and every bit of

right wing propaganda should be met with reminders of criminality of

corporatism/capitalism -- from Global Warming to Fracking!!

From criminality of Big Pharma to private Health Care Industry -- and insurance companies!!

Capitalism is suicidal exploitation of nature --

Unregualted capitalism is merely organized crime -- !!