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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 12:44 PM
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On Bradley Manning: What would Obama the presidential candidate think of the Obama administration?
Wonkbook: What would the Obama campaign think of the Obama administration?
By Ezra Klein
March 14, 2011

This will be the first Wonkbook lede that isn’t about economic or domestic policy. It’s just about right and wrong. Over the weekend, the Obama administration forced the State Department spokesperson PJ Crowley to resign. The reason? He’d told the truth.

You may only hazily remember the name “Bradley Manning.” He’s the young soldier accused of passing thousands and thousands of classified documents to Wikileaks. I say “accused” not because his guilt is so doubtful, but because he has not yet stood for trial. At the moment, he is simply incarcerated. And in an apparent act of revenge, his captors are subjecting him to sleep deprivation, prolonged time in isolation and continuous nude spot-checks -- conditions that Daniel Ellsberg calls “right out of the manual of the CIA for ‘enhanced interrogation’.”

Asked about Manning’s treatment at a speech in Cambridge recently, Crowley made the obvious points: it’s “ridiculous and counterproductive and stupid.” This made life difficult for the administration, and so Crowley -- rather than the officials responsible for putting Crowley and every other administration member into the position of defending Mannin’s treatment -- was forced to resign. The message of this is horrendous. “Crowley’s firing will make it even less likely in the future that decent public servants will speak out against such needless sadism,” writes Andrew Sullivan.

The Obama campaign was only three years ago, but it had strong opinions on this sort of thing. “To lead the world, we must lead by example,” Candidate Obama said in October of 2007. “We must be willing to acknowledge our failings, not just trumpet our victories. And when I’m President, we’ll reject torture - without exception or equivocation.” But now we find there is both exception and equivocation -- and the administration is purging those within its ranks who publicly say it should be otherwise. This is a moment in which both those who serve in the administration and those who support it need to ask whether the Obama administration is keeping sight of its values now that it holds power. The tradeoff between security and moral purity is always more difficult for a president than a candidate, but as we saw in the Bush administration, the pendulum can swing too far towards security, in a way that does little to make us safer and erodes who we are. Crowley’s firing is a sign that that may be happening to the Obama administration.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/wonkbook-what-would-the-obama-campaign-think-of-the-obama-administration/2011/03/10/ABszWtU_blog.html
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 12:54 PM
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1. rowley’s firing is a sign that that ?may? be happening to the Obama administration.
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 12:55 PM
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2. K&R
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Night Crawler Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 01:30 PM
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3. There is a big difference between delivering a Jon Favreau
penned campaign speech and dealing with what the real world has to offer. I think many people heaped their own hopes and dreams onto a basically unknown, minimal record candidate and now may be a bit disappointed with the reality.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 02:01 PM
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4. All I want him to do is uphold the constitution which guarantees all
citizens a speedy trial. Manning has been in jail since May 2010 and is not even indicted yet.
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Night Crawler Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 02:25 PM
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5. He was charged (indicted) with 2 counts last july
And an additional 22 charges on like may 1st or second of this year. He will probably have a pre-trial(military Article 32)in May or June in accordance with his "speedy trial" rights under the Sixth Amendment. "Speedy Trial" can be dependent on what his legal council and the prosecution get together on. The UCMJ operates in accordance with his constitutional rights also.

You don't want to know how I know some of that.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 02:58 PM
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6. That is good. Thank you for the correction. NOW I will shut my mouth.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 03:43 PM
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7. And that's why he's held in solitary confinement and is not allowed to wear clothes or sleep. OK
Edited on Mon Mar-14-11 03:47 PM by Better Believe It
No problem with that.

So this is called military "justice".

Proponents of the UCMJ never saw a constitutional right they liked.

But, you're right and Amnesty International is wrong of course.

Those damn bill of rights leftists, always yapping on and on about civil liberties and democratic rights.

What in the world do they want and expect, democracy and justice and other utopian crap?
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