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Scuba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 04:38 PM Original message |
Before I will consider any arguments from Charter School advocates |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
1. k&r |
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City of Mills (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
2. Again, are all Charter Schools the same? |
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RC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 04:52 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. What can charter schools do that public schools cannot do? |
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alstephenson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 04:53 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Charter schools ARE public schools. |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 05:03 PM Response to Reply #10 |
22. KIPP is a public school system? Really? Or does just using our tax money up count now? |
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alstephenson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 06:50 PM Response to Reply #22 |
57. Yes, the KIPP charter schools are PUBLIC schools. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 08:09 PM Original message |
Public schools that don't admit all |
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RC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-11 09:03 AM Response to Reply #10 |
76. OK, then - - |
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City of Mills (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 04:57 PM Response to Reply #8 |
16. In this case, charter schools can give kids a diploma |
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alstephenson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 06:52 PM Response to Reply #16 |
58. It's all about choice. |
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FLyellowdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 05:03 PM Response to Reply #8 |
20. Kick out disruptive and/or noncompliant students... |
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louis-t (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 05:21 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. When profit becomes the motive, kids lose. |
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FLyellowdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-11 01:23 AM Response to Reply #26 |
74. I wouldn't think they'd keep that salary. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 08:00 PM Response to Reply #20 |
65. In Rhode Island, all charter schools are non-profit by law |
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FLyellowdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-11 01:17 AM Response to Reply #65 |
73. Not a bad idea. Not so here in FL. |
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alstephenson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 04:52 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. I feel the same way, CofM. |
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City of Mills (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 05:03 PM Response to Reply #9 |
21. I'm glad I'm not the only one! |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 09:05 PM Response to Reply #9 |
70. Good for you |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 05:43 PM Response to Reply #2 |
30. There is a great deal of diversity among charter schools |
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City of Mills (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 05:47 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. That is helpful |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
3. How do you feel about school vouchers? |
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Scuba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 04:49 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. It costs far more to teach special ed kids. If vouchers could somehow... |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 04:56 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. Nothing. |
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fedupinBushcountry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 06:12 PM Response to Reply #5 |
51. No it doesn't |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 09:10 PM Response to Reply #51 |
71. actually special ed teachers are often paid via federal money |
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FLyellowdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-11 01:30 AM Response to Reply #71 |
75. True and not true. |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 04:48 PM Response to Original message |
4. In your face? |
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Phentex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 04:57 PM Response to Reply #4 |
15. I freakin' love that! |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
6. Yes, actually, they do... |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
7. Charter schools plunder the Treasury. nt |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 04:56 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Goalpost moving should require an new OP... eom |
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Scuba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 04:58 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. Please explain. I'm not familiar with "goalpost moving". |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 05:05 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. Don't worry, neither is she. |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 05:25 PM Response to Reply #17 |
27. When the goal in an argument is moved... |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 05:05 PM Response to Reply #12 |
24. Don't use terminology that you don't understand. |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 05:04 PM Response to Reply #7 |
23. +1 |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 10:15 PM Response to Reply #23 |
72. Using the same logic, so do public schools. |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-11 10:37 PM Response to Reply #72 |
77. Public schools are not for-profit like charter schools. nt |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 04:55 PM Response to Original message |
11. In my area, troubled kids who are under-served by public schools are the primary focus... |
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RebelOne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 04:57 PM Response to Original message |
14. My daughter teaches at a charter school |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 05:26 PM Response to Reply #14 |
28. I bet she doesn't make $125,000 a year either... |
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Phentex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
18. Not an advocate but the answer is 8%, state average is 12%... |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 05:02 PM Response to Original message |
19. Amen, brother--and no one has responded with anything verifiable yet. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 05:39 PM Response to Reply #19 |
29. An hour has passed.... |
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City of Mills (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 05:48 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. Answering the OP's question would violate FERPA laws |
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Scuba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 05:58 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. These are yes/no questions. How does that violate FERPA? |
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City of Mills (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 06:01 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. OK, let me try |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 06:01 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. I didn't see the OP specify names be made public--statistics will do just fine-- |
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Phentex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 06:05 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. 8% of a local public charter is special ed... |
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City of Mills (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 06:08 PM Response to Reply #35 |
44. Statistics from what? One school? City? County? State? All Combined? |
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Phentex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 06:09 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. I answered for one but the google post (in your face) had many... |
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City of Mills (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 06:12 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Thanks, and I saw your other post |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 06:11 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. Here's something that won't violate any laws--is this charter receiving taxpayer money? |
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City of Mills (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 06:15 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. The one I'm talking about? Yes, it receives taxpayer money as a public school |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 07:57 PM Response to Reply #19 |
64. Check out the laws governing education in Rhode Island |
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Snoutport (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
33. I just got home from a long day in my special ed class.... |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 06:01 PM Response to Original message |
36. One article - may not be totally up to charter schools |
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Phentex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 06:07 PM Response to Reply #36 |
42. that is the point... |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
38. Here is another article: |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 06:04 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Here are some numbers for one area (% in charters less than public here) |
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Scuba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 06:07 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Thanks for posting. Sounds like Arkansas public schools... |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 06:06 PM Response to Original message |
41. NO Taxpayer Money for Private (Charter) Schools, |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 06:10 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. What the masked guy said! /\ |
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alstephenson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 06:59 PM Response to Reply #41 |
59. Sorry, but charter schools are NOT private schools. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 07:01 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. No THEY ARE NOT..period |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 07:38 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. They are NOT "Public Schools". |
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alstephenson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 08:09 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. I guess you don't know what a public school is. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 08:17 PM Response to Reply #59 |
68. Not in Arizona; they receive a boatload of my tax money and I don't approve of it. nt |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 06:10 PM Response to Original message |
47. We've taken kids who spent K-8 |
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Nevernose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 06:12 PM Response to Original message |
50. Not to mention the ones who are just plain old behavioral issues |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 06:17 PM Response to Original message |
53. Kick |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 06:17 PM Response to Original message |
54. The charter I taught at accepted a large amount of special ed + IEP kids. |
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pintobean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 06:35 PM Response to Original message |
55. It takes some pretty thin skin to think |
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mstinamotorcity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 06:39 PM Response to Original message |
56. They will find a way to tap |
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mia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
61. Florida has the McKay Scholarships for Students with Disabilities Program |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
63. In Rhode Island they would - because charter schools are public schools. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 08:06 PM Response to Original message |
66. In this area, most of them - no. A few - yes, until they get kicked out. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 08:19 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. "Kicked out" being the operative phrase--at the first sign of trouble, |
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