Lost city of Atlantis believed found off Spain

[E-Z-B]

Source: MSNBC

A U.S.-led research team may have finally located the lost city of Atlantis, the legendary metropolis believed swamped by a tsunami thousands of years ago, in mud flats in southern Spain.

"This is the power of tsunamis," head researcher Richard Freund told Reuters.

"It is just so hard to understand that it can wipe out 60 miles inland, and that's pretty much what we're talking about," said Freund, a professor at the University of Hartford who led an international team searching for the true site of Atlantis.

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[aquart]

1. Yes! This is so cool.

[Recursion]

2. Breaking: ancient political allegory taken at face value by archaeologists... (nt)

[drm604]

4. +1000

Maybe they found an ancient city or some sort of ancient structures. What they didn't find was Plato's fictional island.

[Recursion]

6. It's especially funny since the main argument of the Timaeus...

...is that empirical evidence of the perishable world is basically useless.

[hulka38]

19. People scoffed at Schliemann too.

Because of his drive and insight and imagination Mycenae and Ileum are every bit as tangible to the public as the Parthenon. Unearthing cities of long ago eras enrich humanity.

[provis99]

21. missing is the fact that he never did find Troy.

He found a bunch of cities, one on top of the other, in an area where cities have always existed. Calling one of them "Troy" is a complete farce.

[hulka38]

27. Is Mycenae a complete farce?

[L. Coyote]

25. Didn't the Timaeus present a ficticious history and belief system created for the slaves.

so that there would be no need to tell them there was a time before slavery? Doesn't Plato matter-of-factly discuss that the ideas were put together hastily, to tell the next day?

It's been too long since I read it! Whatever the case, noone should be allowed to discuss Atlantis without reading the whole book first, that's for sure.

[Drale]

7. Troy was thought to be a fair tale as well

but that was proved to be real.

[Recursion]

13. Well...

There was an early Phoenician city-state named Ilium, but again looking for an historical Troy sort of misses the point; its purpose was as a foundation legend for a ton of European civilizations.

[TygrBright]

8. If it will get them a little more funding for excavations & research...

...they'll take Prester John, Aquabania, and the Ninja Turtles at face value, too.

amusedly,
Bright

[greiner3]

14. Hahahahaha;

Good joke. You sound like you watch the History Channel a lot.

[undeterred]

32. Well, maybe they'll find Noah's ark too.

:hi:

[Ian David]

3. Don't get your hopes up just yet...

A computer graphic shows the concentric rings that may have existed during Atlantis' ancient heyday. Scientists have seen evidence of such submerged structures beneath the vast marshlands of southern Spain's Dona Ana Park.

That's not a satellite image. That's a "computer graphic" of what "may have" existed. In other words, a digital "Artist's Rendition."




A computer graphic shows the concentric rings that may have existed during Atlantis' ancient heyday. Scientists have seen evidence of such submerged structures beneath the vast marshlands of Central New Jersey.

[MineralMan]

5. Atlantis has been discovered again?

How many times does that make, I wonder. Let's go excavate the site and see what's found before we decide this is the "real" Atlantis.

[Godhumor]

9. Just a tie-in to the National Geographic TV special on "Atlantis"

That conveniently airs this week.

[HereSince1628]

10. I wish that the documentaries would WAIT until

there is peer-reviewed acceptance of what is presented as evidence.

Last night's documentary, like many recent NG documentaries, was longer on specultation than evidence.

The "GOODS" are supposedly less than 60 ft below the surface. DRIVE A FEW CORES AND CHECK IT OUT! That wouldn't take a lot of money once the Spanish gov't provides the permits.

[louis-t]

11. Again? They found it, like, 3 times already.

Might not be Atlantis, but still kinda cool when something like this is found.

[Weird Liberal Head]

12. Awesome!

(If true).

[Rebubula]

15. Has Patrick Duffy made a statement???

http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BNjE5NDc4NjIyMF5BMl5BanBnXkFyZXN1bWU@._V1._SX194_SY270_.jpg

[pinniped]

28. Another site referenced Patrick Duffy, so I used the google to see what's up..

Too funny.

[JanDutchy]

16. Jamie O'Neal "Trying To Find Atlantis"

http://www.myspace.com/video/vid/7956633

[Mybrokenchains]

17. when they find a energy crystal that vibrates at the frequency fo the 11th dimension...

then I'll believe they found Atlantis

[dipsydoodle]

18. My mother went to Spain

all she brought back for me was a mug with Linear B all over it. :rofl:

Apart from that 60 miles is nothing really.

[Vehl]

20. Atlantis is probably a lengendary place...one amongst many

I highly doubt that it referred to an actual place. It probably is the result of accumulated stories of similar nature passed down through antiquity.

In Plato's Timaeus the Greek Solon is advised by An Egyptian priest, about how many of the stories and legends the Greeks hold dear about their ancient-times are neither ancient nor accurate.

who is called "the first man," and about Niobe; and after the Deluge, of the survival of Deucalion and Pyrrha; and he traced the genealogy of their descendants, and reckoning up the dates, tried to compute how many years ago the events of which he was speaking happened.

Thereupon one of the (Egyptian) priests, who was of a very great age, said: O Solon, Solon, you Hellenes are never anything but children, and there is not an old man among you.

Solon in return asked him what he meant.

I mean to say, he replied, that in mind you are all young; there is no old opinion handed down among you by ancient tradition, nor any science which is hoary with age. And I will tell you why.

There have been, and will be again, many destructions of mankind arising out of many causes; the greatest have been brought about by the agencies of fire and water, and other lesser ones by innumerable other causes.

There is a story, which even you have preserved, that once upon a time Paethon, the son of Helios, having yoked the steeds in his father's chariot, because he was not able to drive them in the path of his father, burnt up all that was upon the earth, and was himself destroyed by a thunderbolt. Now this has the form of a myth, but really signifies a declination of the bodies moving in the heavens around the earth, and a great conflagration of things upon the earth, which recurs after long intervals; at such times those who live upon the mountains and in dry and lofty places are more liable to destruction than those who dwell by rivers or on the seashore. And from this calamity the Nile, who is our never-failing saviour, delivers and preserves us. When, on the other hand, the gods purge the earth with a deluge of water, the survivors in your country are herdsmen and shepherds who dwell on the mountains, but those who, like you, live in cities are carried by the rivers into the sea. Whereas in this land, neither then nor at any other time, does the water come down from above on the fields, having always a tendency to come up from below; for which reason the traditions preserved here are the most ancient.

The Egyptian civilization was ancient when the Greeks were mere upstarts. The legend of Atlantis is most probably the retelling of an older legend. The same way the story of Noah is an exact copy of the Sumerian story of Utnapishtim/Zizudra(from the Epic of Gilgamesh)....Which probably referred to the flooding of the lowland basin that is now the black sea.

Flood legends/legends of Sunken cities are not unique to the Mediterranean and are found throughout the world...as far as the continent of Mu in China....the Land of Kumari and Dwarka in India...and the Native American/Mayan stories.

The computer generated image of the city looks really absurd...there is no way a natural landmass could have formed that way....unless of course the graphic artist really did believe that the city itself was built from ground-up...from the seafloor.The most plausible explanation would be that Atlantis was one of the numerous cities which were flooded/destroyed due to Tsunami caused either by an Earthquake or a meteorite impact....or better yet..it was one one of the cities that were submerged when the Black sea formed/expanded. The same goes for similar legends around the world. The recent underwater discoveries in Japan, and India suggest that there is good reason to believe that a lot of cities were indeed submerged/flooded when the sea-level rose.

There are some pretty interesting books about these stuff out there.

I would recommend this book by Graham Hancock for a good overview about these flooded/lost city legends/stories. Check it out if your local library has em

Underworld: The Mysterious Origins of Civilization
Heaven's Mirror: Quest for the Lost Civilization

[FLPanhandle]

22. Well, since Plato made up Atlantis as an example warning to the Athenians navy building

I wonder if they'll go searching for Santa's workshop too.

[L. Coyote]

23. I guess that rules out Ohio!

:rofl: :rofl:



http://jqjacobs.net/archaeo/sites/portsmouth.kmz

[Baclava]

24. I have GOT to get into this underwater archeology gig

A mud flat of nothing that could be any ancient town?

I can squint and make all the rocks on the bottom of the sea look square too.

I say Plato was on drugs. I've been to the oracle at Delphi, I know how these things work.

[JanDutchy]

26. This kid of message is special for people who reject reality of live; burried themselves

[muriel_volestrangler]

29. At least 7 years old

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3766863.stm

[dawg]

30. This is Tartessos.

Suspected to be Tarshish from the Bible. It's a fascinating lost city in its own right. It would be fascinating if it could be excavated.

[undeterred]

31. Does it look like they used nuclear energy?

[Obamanaut]

33. 'Atlantic' in this earlier thread, several sorta humorous responses ->

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=631946&mesg_id=631946

[Brother Buzz]

34. I just read The Atlantis Code by Charles Brokaw and was hipped to this

An ancient artifact is discovered in a dusty antiquities shop in Alexandria, Egypt – the long forgotten trinket soon becomes the center of the most deadly archaeological hunt in history. The 20,000 year-old relic is inscribed with what appears to be the long lost language of Atlantis. Only one man would seem to be able to decode its meaning – the world's foremost linguist, Dr Thomas Lourdes – but only if he can stay alive long enough… Meanwhile, an earthquake in Cadiz, Spain, uncovers a most unexpected site – one which the Vatican rush to be the first to explore… Perhaps the lost city of Atlantis is finally ready to be found? But is the world ready for her secrets?

Silly me, I thought it was a novel.

:rofl: