Trancription from what Edano just said

[nadinbrzezinski]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=646623&mesg_id=646781


Edano talking of number four reactor which now has a fire

(that is at Daichi, number two.

Number four was out of operation at reactor and only has spent fuel (I am mixed if this is good news)... no, hydrogen was generated...

Reactor number four seems to have had an explosion too... hydrogen explosion

One and three had secondary containment breached (outer buildings) number four had debris fall on it.

Hydrogen is being generated, assume radioactive substances released, and four is no longer housed by secondary containment, so it is coming from primary containment and doing all tehy can to cool down.

To number two, a blast was heard this morning and it was thirty minutes after four that number two, a hole was observed on number two... so we have been saying that there is very little risk of hydrogen explosion from number two. It happened when Edano was holding a press conference. The suppression chamber seems to have caused this blast and small amount of radioactive substance was released. Steam could be hydrogen, So one, two and three have water injection and all three reactors have water injection. Cooling is being done. The next step is to keep cooling. And of course they have a fire on number four.

As to rad level as of 10:22 level is 30 mserv at three, 300 at two, and 400 mservt at four. (comment from me, oh shit)

These are levels that can impact heath. Asking for calm

These are readings near the area. And of course the further away it will drop (time distance)

As of six AM the staff was evacuated... except for 50 to inject water (they are dead no way around it, in time)

We have asked to evacuate from the 20 km exclusion zone, new developments 20-30 km stay inside. (No shit sherlock)

Keep windows shut, do not use AC or other ventilation equipment, and hang laundry indoors

(ok this is worst than they are letting on... )

Conversion for sieverts

SI multiples and conversions

Frequently used SI multiples are the millisievert (1 mSv = 10−3 Sv) and microsievert (1 μSv = 10−6 Sv) or (1 mSv = 0.001 Sv) and (1 μSv = 0.000001 Sv).
An older unit of the equivalent dose is the rem (Röntgen equivalent man). In some fields and countries, the rem and millirem (abbreviated mrem) continue to be used along with Sv and mSv, causing confusion. Here are the conversion equivalences:
1 Sv = 100 rem
1 mSv = 100 mrem = 0.1 rem
1 μSv = 0.1 mrem
1 rem = 0.01 Sv = 10 mSv
1 mrem = 0.00001 Sv = 0.01 mSv = 10 μSv

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. Ok for the sake of the transcription

for you to have

[jtuck004]

2. Thank you for this.

I found some at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_I_nuclear_accidents

The Washington Post wrote of 1,015 mSv measured on Saturday afternoon, (don't know source), the wiki article is
reporting spikes to 1000 mSv/hr from a CBS article, then a sustained 800 mSv/hr. So 2 hours and you would have a
good start on temporary radiation sickness.

I wonder, if this is hopeless, what the path forward is. The fuel has to be cooled or covered. The sea might be full of houses, all manner of debris. I heard of a gravity feed for water - I wonder if it is blocked or damaged. Is it possible they simply did not realize the extent of the damage, and as they went forward they were simply operating under a bad assumption, that they could delay till they got electricity, instead of calling on whatever help they could to get more water in there? I haven't seen the military really close in the pictures, and they should be.

Given the potential exposures they may losing experienced people who know the place to sickness very soon, if these exposure levels are accurate.

At Chernobyl, which exploded and burned after a series of mistakes and design issues collided, where they only made it public after hte Scandinavians made it impossible for them to hide any longer, they began dropping 5000 tons of sand mixed with boron and (?) on the thing to kill the fire in the graphite, then built a casing around it all (which now needs to be replaced).

We won't know for a while. But one source I saw indicated there is approximately 4 times the fuel at Fukishima. And the fuel rod assemblies that used to be atop Reactor #3 are not there anymore.

Radiation will stay in the Chernobyl area for the next 48.000 years, but humans may begin repopulating the area in about 600 years - give or take three centuries. The experts predict that, by then, the most dangerous elements will have disappeared - or been sufficiently diluted into the rest of the world's air, soil and water. If our government can somehow find the money and political will power to finance the necessary scientific research, perhaps a way will be discovered to neutralize or clean up the contamination sooner. Otherwise, our distant ancestors will have to wait untill the radiation diminishes to a tolerable level. If we use the lowest scientific estimate, that will be 300 years from now......some scientists say it may be as long as 900 years.

I think it will be 300, but people often accuse me of being an optimist.

here...

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. The leading edge is reaching the US on Friday

so depending on "how bad" this is, just how fast they will move. I suspect.