Joe Scarborough repeats Lamar lie, "TMI, Nobody died"

[itsrobert]

Nobody disputes it on the panel.

[Myrina]

1. The 'International Corresepondent' from MSNBC repeated it last night too ...

... I swear they all had the same gov't talking points. Rush Holt (D) - supposedly a physicist - was on Maddow and dodged every single one of her scientific questions, instead spouting the 'this is why we need a new energy plan blah blah Libya blah blah BP blah blah all energy is dangerous blah' and the tool from MSNBC said almost exactly the same thing - word for word - when Ed Schultz interviewed him later on.

Something's up with the dodge and weave ... methinks people behind the curtains are scared shitless.

[Statistical]

2. Nobody did die as a result of TMI.

Despite the fact that some people wish it wasn't true.

[still_one]

5. That is because we were very lucky, It could have been much worse, and if we had a total meltdown,

it would have

[Statistical]

6. True but that doesn't make the statement a lie (as indicated in the OP).

[still_one]

9. You are absolutely correct /nt

[itsrobert]

11. Or WRONG

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=649728&mesg_id=649895

[still_one]

13. That contradicts a lot of studies subsequently done after /nt

[itsrobert]

7. You are woeful lacking in facts

"Recent data from the Radiation and Public Health Project, a non-profit organisation, suggests otherwise. The group claims infant mortality in the local area increased by 47% in the two years after the accident. It also says that, 25 years on, cancer-related deaths among children under 10 are 30% higher than the national average."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2004/apr/13/nuclearindustry.usnews

[Statistical]

17. Junk Science. Every credible organization in the world including CDC and WHO concludes otherwise.

[madokie]

8. You see with deaths due to radiation exposure is usually years removed from time of exposure

many studies have shown that the cancer rate increased downwind of TMI so no one can honestly say that no one died due to TMI.
I know what the official word is but the nuclear industry and the watchdog watching over them are not to be trusted to be honest with us so that official word goes in one ear and right out the other. You want to believe it go for it but I'll not have any of it.

[itsrobert]

14. Correct and there are independent studies

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=649728&mesg_id=649895

[spanone]

21. People Died at Three Mile Island

By HARVEY WASSERMAN

People died--and are still dying--at Three Mile Island.

As the thirtieth anniversary of America's most infamous industrial accident approaches, we mourn the deaths that accompanied the biggest string of lies ever told in US industrial history.

As news of the accident poured into the global media, the public was assured there were no radiation releases.

That quickly proved to be false.

The public was then told the releases were controlled and done purposely to alleviate pressure on the core.

Both those assertions were false.

The public was told the releases were "insignificant."

http://www.counterpunch.org/wasserman03242009.html

[Statistical]

22. Nobody died at TMI and that long list of unproven claims in your link remains just that. n/t

[snappyturtle]

3. I was listening to MJ earlier...HAD to switch channels! Nothing surprises

me coming out of that 'brain trust'. I believe it was Pat Buchanan who chided Japan for building nurclear reactors near fault lines! No one had anything to say about that either. Then they go to Chris Jansing in Japan who, in her words, hung out yesterday around the U.S. Embassy. She said embassy officials wouldn't advise our citizens there whether they should leave or not in fear of offending the Japanese gov't.! Chris ought to go up north where Ann Courie was yesterday and find out what is really going on. MSNBC news is crap and I emailed them this morning and used that word. I read current events on the net HOURS before they are often reported on teeveeland. NOW I have to offer kudos to MSNBC's Rachel Maddow for her excellent explanation of how reactors run afowl that she aired lasst night. THAT was great...but this MJ stuff is garbage.

[Orrex]

4. I wasn't aware that anyone died as a result of TMI

Citation?


It should also be mentioned, of course, that TMI hasn't suffered any catastrophic earthquakes during its service life, so the comparison is kind of odd in any case.

[itsrobert]

10. Right here..

Recent data from the Radiation and Public Health Project, a non-profit organisation, suggests otherwise. The group claims infant mortality in the local area increased by 47% in the two years after the accident. It also says that, 25 years on, cancer-related deaths among children under 10 are 30% higher than the national average.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2004/apr/13/nuclearindustry.usnews

[still_one]

12. That contradicts a lot of studies subsequently done after /nt

[Statistical]

16. But before and after. Also the work has never been peer reviewed and the

methodologies and conclusions discredited by many scientific organizations.

[madokie]

19. Yeah like pro nuke slanted organizations.

No where have I read other than, someone pushing for nukes, that there were no deaths attributed to exposure to the radiation released at TMI.
It makes you pro nuke guys less credible when you claim otherwise. In fact if someone is pro nuke and not just pro nuke out of stupidity and/or ignorance I believe nothing they say at all, take nothing I'm told by those at face value.

Remember that the NRC is and has been from its inception in bed with the nuclear power industry.

[Statistical]

20. The CDC is pro-nuke, the WHO? LOL.

I guess Columbia University (one of the largest studies on health effects of TMI) is also "pro-nuke"

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In 1990-1 a Columbia University team, led by Maureen Hatch, carried out the first epidemiological study on local death rates before and after the accident, for the period 1975-1985, for the 10-mile area around TMI.<12><14> Assigning fallout impact based on winds on the morning of March 28, 1979,<14> the study found no link between fallout and cancer risk.<4> The study found that cancer rates near the Three Mile Island plant peaked in 1982-3, but their mathematical model did not account for the observed increase in cancer rates, since they argued that latency periods for cancer are much longer than three years. The study concludes that stress may have been a factor (though no specific biological mechanism was identified), and speculated that changes in cancer screening were more important

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Anyone who doesn't buy into discredited junk science is "pro-nuke". Gotcha.

[madokie]

23. I didn't say either of those were pronuke

man pay attention to whats said and quit reading into what someone says what you want them to have said. Sheeeze

I suspect the reason you do that is to throw the discussion in another direction deflecting the subject being discussed. I see it here by many all the time.

[Statistical]

15. The R&PHP is a junk science anti-nuke organization.

There "results" have not been peer reviewed by any credible international organization.

The CDC, WHO, American Cancer Institute, the Institute of Health, the NRC, and half dozen well respected research projects at universities around the country concluded the minimal amounts of radiation released (mainly in the form of noble gases) did not represent a threat to human life and found no casualties as a result of TMI. TMI is the single most studied accident in the history of mankind (Chernobyl didn't get nearly as much study do to the Soviet government and thus we know much less about it).

I could write a report proving Obama is a Muslim would that make it a fact also?

[SidDithers]

18. Facts are good...

:thumbsup:

Sid